(02-28-2021, 12:49 PM)DrMav Wrote: If he's frustrated with Luka, then that merits more watching. If there is something for him to be frustrated with, there has been a pattern this season of Luka driving and KP's man collapsing from the 3-point line to help leaving KP wide open at the top of the arc, but Luka not finding him. There was definitely one of those in the game and a bit later on is when the chair-kicking talk started.

(02-28-2021, 01:54 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: What JVG said was KP was frustrated with Luka for not giving him the ball and then calling him over to a PnR.  We didn't see the chair kick because he and Mark Jackson were yucking it up on screen going into the commercial after a stoppage at 2:12 in Q2.  After getting six shots in 8 1/2 minutes in the first quarter, KP was hardly touching the ball in the second.  Here are the possessions and the KP involvement from the point he reentered the game around 6:38.

6:21  KP gets a touch almost immediately and makes a nice assist pass to a cutting DFS (feels like a continuation of the first quarter)

5:52  Luka fast break assist to THJ (KP doesn't touch the ball, but hard to get mad about that)

5:26  KP gets a touch in the post and is fouled by Harris

5:20  Luka 1 v 1 contested 3.  KP open at 3 point line

4:50  KP gets a meaningless early offense touch at top of key...just part of the initiation of the play.  Maxi hits a 3 on Luka assist.

4:22  THJ miss, but is fouled on a 3.  No touch for KP in this possession

4:00  Luka goes one on five for the layup.  No touch for KP (or anyone else) on this possession

3:21  KP calls for the ball and Luka waives it off and directs him to set a pick.  Missed shot, no touch on possession for KP

3:07  TO on pass to DFS.  No touch on this possession for KP

2:38  Luka goes Luka v the World again.  No touches for anyone on this possession besides Luka

2:24  Luka gives ball to KP, who isn't open, still standing in the logo.  Luka expects to get the ball back, but KP launches a passive aggressive garbage shot to signify he isn't happy.

2:12  Brooklyn TO and chair kicking incident.

I don't think this has to necessarily speak to their relationship...it might, but it doesn't have to.  As JVG said, it's about the ball and KP perceived he should be getting it more than he did.  I didn't like the passive aggressive action on that shot before the kicked chair.  If you watch some second half possessions, KP stops trying to be ready near the 3 point line and just drifts several feet behind the line completely unprepared to be part of the play.  I can't imagine it is easy to be (or think of yourself) as a superior offensive player next to Luka when Luka decides it is time to get his.  But, KP isn't exactly being the grown-up in the room either.

(02-28-2021, 02:28 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't know if I would say never max a big.

(02-28-2021, 02:28 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I don't know if I would say never max a big. Jokic to me is worth the max for sure. Embiid is worth the max. These guys have skills beyond just a traditional big.

(02-28-2021, 02:42 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If it is a problem with a big ego guy wanting his touches esp when he’s mostly doing good with the opportunities and Luka is waiving him off, what superstar is gonna come here and put up with that? I want the name.

(02-28-2021, 02:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: "a big with slow/unathletic feet"

(02-28-2021, 02:48 PM)omahen Wrote: Luka had an excellent start of the game. But then at one point he started to do too much. One very difficult shot after another. Can't really blame him, because he was on fire lately. But result wasn't beautiful. His percentage dropped considerably in the second half and he only got two assists. If I would have to guess, I think it is his competitive nature going against him. I think I noticed the pattern everytime he plays superstars, he wants to prove he is better. I guess subconsciously, not really deliberately.

But no harm done, hope he learned his lesson.

(02-28-2021, 02:43 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So he wasn’t talking about KP, gotcha

(02-28-2021, 02:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I know you're just trying to be funny, but that is the literal textbook definition of what KP has been here for awhile, going back into last season, even. 

(02-28-2021, 02:55 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The only time I’ve seen this be the case with him is when he’s coming back from injury. That’s it. He’s not the picture you’re painting him in.

(02-28-2021, 02:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The game against Portland last season in the bubble, before the playoffs, was a worse performance than anything he has offered since. He looked like an absolute JOKE out there. You or I could've helped the team more.

(02-28-2021, 02:42 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: If it is a problem with a big ego guy wanting his touches esp when he’s mostly doing good with the opportunities and Luka is waiving him off, what superstar is gonna come here and put up with that? I want the name.

(02-28-2021, 03:00 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: And you’re talking about second team all-bubble KP.

(02-28-2021, 02:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: And, honestly, when will he EVER not be coming back from injury? I mean, these guys ALL get little nicks all season long, even when they don't make the injury report. That's just part of being a pro athlete. Some guys fight through them better than others. I'm just not seeing hope for consistently comfortable movement from this guy. I hope I'm wrong!

(02-28-2021, 03:00 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Every player has a kryptonite matchup.

(02-28-2021, 02:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: And, honestly, when will he EVER not be coming back from injury? I mean, these guys ALL get little nicks all season long, even when they don't make the injury report. That's just part of being a pro athlete. Some guys fight through them better than others. I'm just not seeing hope for consistently comfortable movement from this guy. I hope I'm wrong!