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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-28-2021
The guy we maybe haven't focused enough on trading perhaps is Josh Richardson. He is just an okay player. I really thought his defense would be more noticeable. Maybe his advanced stats are good?
I would consider trading him for something else. I am not sure he's worth keeping or not. One of the most underrated things he has done this year is shoot clutch free throws which has helped Mavs close some games. That would be something I'd want to be sure we had.
Like if you could flip him for Lonzo I wouldn't mind trying that just to see what Lonzo looks like here. I am not in love with Lonzo's game but at this point J Rich is just not a guy I am in love with and he's a UFA.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 09:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Interesting from The Athletic's Warrior's site on fit of Wiseman. The point is the way they play, they may not ever fully develop the young big. He's got potential to be a star, but all GS wants from it's bigs is not much more than what the Mav's used to ask Powell to do. They talk about Wiseman's thirst to score (he's not a passive big at all). Kerr moved him to the bench in January at least partially to let him be more of a focal point when he's in the game.
"Meanwhile, James Wiseman has this incredible talent at an uncommon size. He wants to show it off and frequently does. Right now, per 36 minutes, Wiseman is averaging 21.3 points, 10.3 rebounds and 2.2 blocks on 51/41/64 shooting. The main reason we’re citing “per 36 minutes” here is because this impressive individual stat line has not exactly corresponded to the level of team success that ensures the minutes load of a starter."
https://theathletic.com/2409304/2021/02/24/james-wiseman-steph-curry-warriors-nba/
It's weird to say after last night given how much we attempted to post KP, but I'm not sure Wiseman would be any better of a fit in Carlisle system given his rant last year about posting up being a low value play in the modern NBA. Granted the front office, analytics team and coaching staff often seem to be on different pages, but I'd question the Mavs desire for Wiseman.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dynamicalVoid - 02-28-2021
(02-27-2021, 09:00 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: One point that doesn’t get enough mention: $.........KP got his max deal. Now everything is different. Money can change people
This is very valid point and one I overlooked. It would be a shame if KP is one of those guys. He either isnt as motivated now or now that he has his purse he and his team are being high maintenance behind the scenes. I hope this is not the case.
I like KP...I dont think he has overly slow feet or is unathletic...he seems like he should be a force on both sides of the ball. Is it how he is being used?
KP may be unhappy here...but I would like to see him with this team in the playoffs one more time. I am hard on this team...I gripe about the talent...but I still think the Mavs arent showing their full hand. I think if we get to the playoffs...we will look way different than we have looked this first half of the season. I say this because I find it odd that some games we look like a well oiled machine(communicating on defense, offensive spacing, moving the ball around, swinging the ball around the perimeter) and then we look like a JV team for 8 games in a row. I believe we are saving some tricks for playoffs...if KP stays with us and wants to play hard for us and we look like a disciplined team in the playoffs it might heal all this drama going on right now.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - vfromlmf - 02-28-2021
Question about KP being used in the post last night.... If you wanted to showcase KP, would you rather play him against Embiid or Jefff Green?
Are the Mavs showcasing Porzingis?
I recall DSJ's triple double in his last Mavs game...
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 10:00 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: Question about KP being used in the post last night.... If you wanted to showcase KP, would you rather play him against Embiid or Jefff Green?
Are the Mavs showcasing Porzingis?
I recall DSJ's triple double in his last Mavs game...
I don't buy all the trade rumors for KP. I also don't think you should use last night's game and expect to see as many post touches going forward. It's going to be matchup dependent and the Nets have porous defense. Right place at the right time kind of a deal with the knock-on benefit of getting KP more involved after his recent time away from the court. And even then, some of his possessions were rough. Wish I could find a clip of the possession of KP posting up Joe Harris.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dynamicalVoid - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 10:00 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: Question about KP being used in the post last night.... If you wanted to showcase KP, would you rather play him against Embiid or Jefff Green?
Are the Mavs showcasing Porzingis?
I recall DSJ's triple double in his last Mavs game...
I question whether or not another FO would fall for that little trick.
You're not wrong for questioning it, though.
Its somewhat in the arena of what you asked about....but I was asking my brother yesterday if KP ducks opponents and uses load management as an excuse. I am not saying he does this...would just be curious to know when he has sat and against which opponents during his stint here. I get that some back to backs they really wouldnt want him playing. KP doesnt come across like a player that would duck AD or Giannis or Embiid...but maybe he is super business minded. Again...not questioning this because I think he does it....but because he misses so many games it would give him the opportunity to.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - HoosierDaddyKid - 02-28-2021
Omega_Supreme Wrote:I am not going to get excited about this game when it comes to KP. Jordan played 13 minutes and the Nets were under manned.
We need to see KP do this against teams with Legit big men.
He plays against Vucevic on Monday and that will be a good test
Yup. It would have been a different game with Kyrie and Durant. Maybe we can get a true measure when they come to Dallas, and are healthy.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - vfromlmf - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 10:17 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: I question whether or not another FO would fall for that little trick.
I mean, it wasn't really a trick. I had major questions about KP coming into the game last night. In fact, it might have been the most important game of his Mavs career. Could he even get in a defensive stance? Can he still move well enough to defend pick & roll? Is he still capable of doing unicorn things?
And it clearly wasn't just me questioning KP's level. The were talks among serious NBA writers that the Mavs might have to ATTACH assets just to get off KP's contract. That's insane.
What we saw last night was good asset management. The Mavs sat KP against Embiid. Nothing good would come out of KP returning against the top center in the league. Instead, they put him in the best position to be successful upon his return ... against 34 year old 6' 8" Jeff Green. And they clearly made an effort to get him the ball in his favorite spots on the post.
For his part, KP delivered. He did unicorn things offensively and defensively.
Now, was this smart asset management part of a plan to restore his trade value? Or was it simply to restore his confidence? Maybe a little of both. Either way, smart asset management.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-28-2021
I don't think Mavs are doing anything.cute.with KPs injury. I think he had a sore back that's it. Doesn't mean they aren't shopping him but I dont think a sore back has anything to.do.with it.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-28-2021
Does anyone have a clip of KP kicking a chair last night? It got.referenced.on the broadcast a bunch of times and yet I have not seen the footage anywhere.
KP generally is even keel out there so him getting mad at Luka on the floor would be a new development.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 11:29 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Does anyone have a clip of KP kicking a chair last night? It got.referenced.on the broadcast a bunch of times and yet I have not seen the footage anywhere.
KP generally is even keel out there so him getting mad at Luka on the floor would be a new development.
KP kicked a chair last night?
I didn't see that at all. When did it happen?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Tyler - 02-28-2021
It's hard to know what's going on with KP, as there very well could be some stuff going on behind the scenes. At the very least, I'd expect him to be really eager to play well on national TV after being dragged through the mud all week. But I always find it interesting how some things are amplified while others are ignored based on the narrative of the day.
https://twitter.com/dalton_trigg/status/1365904405346795520
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - DrMav - 02-28-2021
I didn't try to find the chair kicking incident, and am not sure even what it was a response to. Was KP frustrated about something on the court related to himself or someone else (people are saying he was frustrated with Luka)? Was he frustrated he wasn't in the game when he had been playing well? I'm sure we'll get an answer at some point, but who knows if it will be the truth.
I could see him being frustrated about not being taken out of the game, or not being put back in, but I don't think that's going to have any lingering effects; it's just a competitive guy that was playing well wanting to be on the court, but then he'll realize it was a blowout and understand.
If he's frustrated with Luka, then that merits more watching. If there is something for him to be frustrated with, there has been a pattern this season of Luka driving and KP's man collapsing from the 3-point line to help leaving KP wide open at the top of the arc, but Luka not finding him. There was definitely one of those in the game and a bit later on is when the chair-kicking talk started.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-28-2021
The broadcast said something ab a decision Luka made one time on PnR. Maybe KP was mad he didn't get the ball. I don't have the exact clip of the audio. I bet the Mavs Locked On podcast will break it down.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-28-2021
Also OT but this game had more.l guys falling backwards after shooting than I have ever seen. Did they buff the floor too much yesterday?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - vfromlmf - 02-28-2021
KP called for the ball at the top of the key as Luka dribbled up top.
Luka looked him off and called for KP to come screen.
KP dropped his shoulders and was visibly frustrated as be moved to set a pick.
Luka then fired a pass to Kleber I think, away from the play for an open three that was missed.
Next possession KP launched a ridiculous three from near midcourt.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - omahen - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 12:49 PM)DrMav Wrote: I didn't try to find the chair kicking incident, and am not sure even what it was a response to.
It started with this, you can see right at the beginning KP wanting the ball and Luka calling him in the PnR
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=274&GameID=0022000519&Season=2020-21&flag=1&title=MISS%20Finney-Smith%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot&sct=plot
It was followed by this action - unfortunately no video in the play by play, but you can see it in the game. KP was wide open, Luka went by himself and got the foul
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=274&GameID=0022000519&Season=2020-21&flag=1&title=MISS%20Finney-Smith%2025%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot&sct=plot
It finished by this, after which TO has been called and KP allegedly kicked the chair (no video that I know off available).
https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=291&GameID=0022000519&Season=2020-21&flag=1&title=MISS%20Porzingis%2032%27%203PT%20Jump%20Shot&sct=plot
I don't read much into it. KP was obviously extremely motivated which led to strong feelings. It obviously didn't affect the game, as second half was much better than first one.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dynamicalVoid - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 12:49 PM)DrMav Wrote: I didn't try to find the chair kicking incident, and am not sure even what it was a response to. Was KP frustrated about something on the court related to himself or someone else (people are saying he was frustrated with Luka)? Was he frustrated he wasn't in the game when he had been playing well? I'm sure we'll get an answer at some point, but who knows if it will be the truth.
I could see him being frustrated about not being taken out of the game, or not being put back in, but I don't think that's going to have any lingering effects; it's just a competitive guy that was playing well wanting to be on the court, but then he'll realize it was a blowout and understand.
If he's frustrated with Luka, then that merits more watching. If there is something for him to be frustrated with, there has been a pattern this season of Luka driving and KP's man collapsing from the 3-point line to help leaving KP wide open at the top of the arc, but Luka not finding him. There was definitely one of those in the game and a bit later on is when the chair-kicking talk started.
I saw Brunson do it a few times too. I noticed Luka do it a few too...not just once. It actually pop in to my head as being odd during the game. Not saying they were abandoning KP on purpose...just that it seemed odd on multiple occasions.
I think Im done with the KP talk...the Mavs need to figure it out. Missing a lot of games leads the fan base to really hawk his in game performance when he does play. Now its he misses games and his defense sucks. Now the fan base is questioning KP, contract, KP's team(Janis I guess?), KP's past with Knicks, KP's motivation, is he/his team high maintenance....is it all worth it?
From a non-insider point of view...I understand taking the risk on KP...he is talented but has some unfortunate injuries that have kept him off the court and hurt him being able to work on his game. The injuries (and maybe Janis) are hard to deal with but I think the Mavs already knew this before getting him...so I dont think Mavs are caught off guard in regards to those two things. What I would zero in on...IF...IF...KP and his team are not causing trouble behind the scenes...is KP's desire to play an 82 game schedule not being the #1. If there is something to KP wanting to shoot a lot or he is not interested...if he wants to shoot missals from the Logo multiple times a game...if he prefers to shoot 3's and if he cant he is bored(and then lazy on defense)...if he wants to try and flash dribbles even though its easy for guards to rip him...basically...if KP wants to play a game that is stimulating for him but hurts the team being able to win....then the Mavs need to move on. As someone said on RealGM last night...if he wants to be the #1 and play a game that is stimulating to him...send him to Washington with Westbrook and they can each launch 30 attempts a game.
I dont know what if anything is going on behind the scenes and I cant fault KP for injuries...but if there is even a little suggesting he doesnt care about winning basketball...you probably need to move on. I can live with Janis and injuries to an extent...but not caring about the team winning is a different story.
Anyway...I hope KP is nothing but professional behind the scenes and I would like to see him long term on the Mavs because he is talented...but Mavs need to figure this out.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - omahen - 02-28-2021
(02-28-2021, 01:16 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: KP called for the ball at the top of the key as Luka dribbled up top.
Luka looked him off and called for KP to come screen.
KP dropped his shoulders and was visibly frustrated as be moved to set a pick.
Luka then fired a pass to Kleber I think, away from the play for an open three that was missed.
Next possession KP launched a ridiculous three from near midcourt.
It was behind three point line, Luka wasn't dribbling, pass was to DFS and KP launched that three after 2 more possesions
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - KillerLeft - 02-28-2021
(02-27-2021, 08:42 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: I would never Max a big with slow feet/unathletic in todays NBA.
Yeah, neither would I. And to be honest, I didn't think that's what KP was when they made the trade. Other people here seem to believe that he'll play himself into shape and become noticeably more quick and agile as a result, and he DID look like he was moving a little better last night. I'm not sure I chalk that up to anything other than a ton of recent rest, but it was good to see, regardless.
Nothing for us to do right now but hope the people on the opposite side of this argument are correct, which I absolutely do.