(02-27-2021, 02:48 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I just showed you a video with Draymond with 18 assists and your first sentence says, "Draymond isn't dangerous as a ballhandler".

SMH

KP is very dangerous as a cutter, he just does not do it much. Golden St. is not going to post him up they are perfectly fine with him parked at the 3 point line opening up the lanes for Draymond's pick and roll 2 man game with Steph. 

Not sure if you have watched them as much as I have but lots of people on twitter and other analysts think it could be a perfect match as well.

(02-27-2021, 02:55 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Put me in the camp that says KP would be great (when he plays) in GS.  Their remaining window with Curry (32 and signed for one more year) is a major consideration.  Thompson and Green are both signed for 3 seasons past this one (as is KP with a PO for the final year).  They don't seem to have a budget and can't really afford to be too cheap with Curry's UFA year coming up.  Wiseman and the TWolve pick are there to bring back talent for the current era and KP fits the bill.  What they have left after the 23/24 season is a problem for another day.  

I don't believe the Mav Brass's protests that they haven't discussed KP with anyone.  I don't believe it is necessarily GS who leaked this (there could easily be a third team involved.

I don't do this for anything less than Wiseman and the best GS pick this summer.  I suspect that is not the issue.  The issue (assuming this is all true) is probably the filler.  There are versions of this that would be built around Wiggins as filler (which probably puts Dallas into the tax).  There are versions of this that would be built around Oubre and more filler (which would put GS FURTHER into the tax).  For argument sake, let's say Dallas is trying to use an expiring player and a pick or pick-swap to get another player.  Dallas would want expiring Oubre to send out.  GS could easily say..."no, send one of your own expiring contracts to Atlanta because you need to take Wiggins".

(02-27-2021, 02:59 PM)cow Wrote: I never would have guessed you thought there was validity to this.

(02-27-2021, 03:55 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: If the Warriors offered Wiseman+Wolves pick+ Wiggins Porzingis would be gone already (I hope).

(02-27-2021, 02:55 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don't do this for anything less than Wiseman and the best GS pick this summer.  I suspect that is not the issue.  

(02-27-2021, 03:58 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: KP will probably post 30/15 tonight and may do it every game for the next week, but he won't make the season without another stretch of missed games.  What is the saying about the most important ability being availability?

(02-27-2021, 11:43 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I actually totally disagree with this.

Spears is closer to Stephen A Smith than Woj. In fact, he's almost always wrong in his predictions. 

Here he is saying on ESPN that there's no way the Lakers get Davis by trade. 

In fact I've gone back and skimmed almost every single story Spears has wrote on The Undefeated since 2018 and he almost NEVER makes predictions on paper. Instead he writes exposès about transactions after they've occured. So now we're going to believe he has an incredible piece of info from one of the most tight lipped orgs, that is also not corroborated by the 2 most reliable reporters on the Mavs? 

All I'm saying is believing Spears rumor mongering is akin to believing Chris Broussard.

(02-27-2021, 04:03 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I doubt anything has been offered bc its not close enough to the trade deadline. I think it would be very hard to pry that Minney pick away from the Warriors. Essentially that would mean that KP is worth basically two top 3 NBA picks. Granted there is a Wiggins salary dump that's a part of that but I have a hard time picturing that.

I think the deal would be Wiseman + Oubre, expiring for KP. Mavs would get cap space which gives them flexibility. The Wolves would not be selling their future so to speak as they would still have the Minnesota pick to draft a player of the future. As it stands they don't need two top 3 rookies, they need a win-now star. KP would be an excellent fit there.

(02-27-2021, 03:58 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The trade junkie in me is always interested in thinking through the possibilities.  What else we gonna talk about...Drummond?

The pragmatist in me says this is highly unlikely (though it would help to have more true data on relationships within the organization and health).  Like I've said, I'd like to avoid selling low (if there is a sell).  But, I have no idea if this is as bad as it gets or if it could turn down another level from here (injury or grievances becoming more public).  People tend to think patience fosters improved value, but that isn't always the case.

FWIW, I like the idea of Wiseman and Pick, but the filler matters in terms of further roster building.  KP will probably post 30/15 tonight and may do it every game for the next week, but he won't make the season without another stretch of missed games.  What is the saying about the most important ability being availability?

dirkfansince1998 Wrote:I just don´t see how KP would fit with GS. They are playing a super switch heavy defense and in the most important moments of the season they always go small. Draymond himself is probably a better center than KP.
Not sure about the fit on offense. I guess he could space the floor but the Warriors aren´t playing a 5-out scheme. No team is running less onball screens. No team is setting more off ball screens. The entire offense is build around Currys off ball movement. KP would need to set hard screens to free Curry. Draymond is the ballhandler, Curry the focal point that draws all the attention with his off ball movement.  In the last few years the center position has been all about the "garbage man" role. Rebound, set screens, defend the post on defense.
Not sure if they are willing to change the entire offense for KP.

StepBackJay Wrote:He missed 3 games in the span of a week. Said his back felt good yesterday but the coaches wanted him to practice. People act like a sore back is the worst thing ever, it's not a big deal.

(02-27-2021, 04:27 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: I agree. Teams want to put KP in P&R's because he can't show on them with the quickness,  and with a lack of foot speed, he gets beat mercifully.

(02-27-2021, 05:59 PM)omahen Wrote: How about this Beal trade idea, if Washington decides to call it a day?

Chi: KP
Was: Brunson, Markannen, Johnson, Chi FRP, Mavs FRP
Dal: Beal, Sato, Felicio, Gafford

Mavs would really empty the cupboard and would have to really strike gold with MLE in the summer. But Beal would make Mavs look as credible contender.

(02-27-2021, 04:07 PM)omahen Wrote: That is all true. But did anyone actually believe KP will play like 90 % of games each season? I think Mavs knew what they were buying and risks associated with it. The problem is, that he is not a "30/15" player when he is able to play. Problem is he needs half a season to get to that "30/15" level (season 1 in Dallas, remains to be seen this season). Assuming he is not traded and Mavs actually make it, I think his value will be set by how he performs in playoffs. If he will be the best version of himself, the value will be high. If he is meh or injured, his contract is Wiggins level, imho.