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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 07:58 AM)Kammrath Wrote: He is not going to be the mouthpiece for the Mavs, but for other teams and agents. But he definitely has legit sources in the NBA world, regardless of what you think about him. I actually totally disagree with this. Spears is closer to Stephen A Smith than Woj. In fact, he's almost always wrong in his predictions. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825597-marc-j-spears-no-way-anthony-davis-traded-to-lakers-by-pelicans Here he is saying on ESPN that there's no way the Lakers get Davis by trade. In fact I've gone back and skimmed almost every single story Spears has wrote on The Undefeated since 2018 and he almost NEVER makes predictions on paper. Instead he writes exposès about transactions after they've occured. So now we're going to believe he has an incredible piece of info from one of the most tight lipped orgs, that is also not corroborated by the 2 most reliable reporters on the Mavs? All I'm saying is believing Spears rumor mongering is akin to believing Chris Broussard. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 08:30 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: At least other fans are still interested in him, but can we see the other side of the equation. Its not trades you want to see. Other fanbases think KP can be had for free essentially (And some of us around here seem to think thats a good idea) Here's the most popular trade for the day: https://tradenba.com/trades/pKVafYRft Spurs get KP. Mavs get Romeo Langford/Devin Vassell/Rudy Gay/ Tristan Thompson/ Bostons 2021 FRP/ Spurs 2021 FRP top 5 protected. Boston gets Derrick White and Luka Samniac. Sue Devin Vassell is great, but the rest of that is garbage. Boston in fact gets probably the 2nd best piece in the deal Derrick white. Romeo Langford is about to go to China. Thompson and Gay are on their last legs. The 2 first rounders are meh. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-27-2021 I don't like Ball at all. When I have watched him play I don't get the appeal. He is a very flawed player. Trading J Rich + JJ for somebody could be an option (ie Lowry). I don't think trading Brunson for anybody really makes sense. Brunson is growing into another creator next to Luka. He has been helping to close games. J Rich has been an okay fit but if I can get something better then I would be willing to move him. Other options: Oladipo, Aaron Gordon, Fournier. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Omega_Supreme - 02-27-2021 Draymond Green and the Warriors offense is beautiful to watch. KP would be amazing with their spacing and ball movement. Checkout Draymond's highlights from last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhBHEJ79E3w&t=246s RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - SleepingHero - 02-27-2021 Also here's a doozie 4 team 13 player trade obviously done by a Spurs fan https://tradenba.com/trades/Gjl-4x11Q Mavs get: Lowry and Derozan Portland gets: Aldridge Spurs get (and get ready): DFS/Kleber/James Johnson/THJ/Robert Covington/Rodney Hood/2 Mavs FRP/ 2 Mavs 2nd round picks/ 1 Portland FRP/ and 1 Portland 2nd round pick. Raptors get: Dejonte Murray/Harry Giles/Lonnie Walker IV/ and Dwight Powell. Just lol. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Mavs2021 - 02-27-2021 Last ten games:Jarrett Allen 16/11 with two blocks and starts shooting threes at 40% too. Another obvious young talent. The only way he could be more like Tyson would be to be his biological son. It's ridiculous our idiots got the best talent since LeBron handed to them and can barely build a 0.500 team around him, while blowing all their assets. Draft Bey and acquire Prince and Allen. Show you are not brain dead and wait for Lavine/Beal.I have said it before.Our problem in FA is that our FO is considered trash by agents and top players. That is why nobody signs here, same reason nobody wanted to sign with Knicks. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dynamicalVoid - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 11:16 AM)chaparral Wrote: So the majority opinion is that Luka and the Mavs need a 2nd creator or veteran PG to help this team. But giving up Brunson in the trade is not a good Idea. Some would not like that player to be another euro, so Dragic, Rubio and Satoransky are out. Salary wise I would rule out trading for Wall, Lowry and Holiday (not available anyway). Also, Dinwiddie is injured this season so he's out for a trade. And Rose was just traded to NYK so he's not available. There was one or two people a few months ago just absolutely opposed to Rozier(calling him scary terry)...I watch a lot of Hornets games because of Melo...Rozier constantly balling out. For 17mil. But people want to pay Dipo...or near max Lavine? I dont get it...but havent done the proper research. Rozier balls out though...playmaking, driving to the rim and shooting 3's. Ride with KP if his value is too low now. Try and turn other guys(Maxi, DFS, JRich, Brunson, THJ) into a player of need. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - ItsGoTime - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 11:56 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Last ten games:Jarrett Allen 16/11 with two blocks and starts shooting threes at 40% too. Another obvious young talent. The only way he could be more like Tyson would be to be his biological son. It's ridiculous our idiots got the best talent since LeBron handed to them and can barely build a 0.500 team around him, while blowing all their assets. Draft Bey and acquire Prince and Allen. Show you are not brain dead and wait for Lavine/Beal.I have said it before.Our problem in FA is that our FO is considered trash by agents and top players. That is why nobody signs here, same reason nobody wanted to sign with Knicks.What solidified Donnie's lack of being "the guy" for us was in a ESPN roundtable with NBA GM's. Donnie was getting made fun of and chuckled at by the Mia capologist (who Donnie explained most all of the team GM's call when they have a cap question). Donnie took it and never fired anything back. That showed me where he sits in the pecking order in GM minds. That probably doesn't say much to anyone else, but watching it happen just made me think this guy is not alpha in any way. (02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: or near max LavineHe's an allstar this year. Would've loved to get him before that, now it's probably out of reach unless KP goes on a huge tear and Lavine asks out. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - StepBackJay - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 11:52 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Draymond Green and the Warriors offense is beautiful to watch. KP would be amazing with their spacing and ball movement. Just saying keep an eye on this Mavs/Warriors connection... RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Jason Terry - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 01:04 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Just saying keep an eye on this Mavs/Warriors connection...Yep. Makes sense. Draymond is the real unicorn type player that could play well off of KP. I would think they would want to get rid of Looney’s contract in a trade. He has a 5.2 mill player option for next season he will probably accept. They have a huge tax bill but it’s hard to figure out if that even matters to them. If it does then you would think Wiggins needs to be moved. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dirkfansince1998 - 02-27-2021 I just don´t see how KP would fit with GS. They are playing a super switch heavy defense and in the most important moments of the season they always go small. Draymond himself is probably a better center than KP. Not sure about the fit on offense. I guess he could space the floor but the Warriors aren´t playing a 5-out scheme. No team is running less onball screens. No team is setting more off ball screens. The entire offense is build around Currys off ball movement. KP would need to set hard screens to free Curry. Draymond is the ballhandler, Curry the focal point that draws all the attention with his off ball movement. In the last few years the center position has been all about the "garbage man" role. Rebound, set screens, defend the post on defense. Not sure if they are willing to change the entire offense for KP. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 12:33 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: (calling him scary terry) That's his nickname. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01.html RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Omega_Supreme - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 01:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I just don´t see how KP would fit with GS. They are playing a super switch heavy defense and in the most important moments of the season they always go small. Draymond himself is probably a better center than KP. Can you imagine a 4/5 pick and roll with KP and Draymond with the entire paint opened up for Steph and Oubre to dive to the basket on cuts. You also have the entire floor opening up for Steph and Draymond to get to the basket. KP is the perfect player in that offense. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - dirkfansince1998 - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 02:17 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Can you imagine a 4/5 pick and roll with KP and Draymond with the entire paint opened up for Steph and Oubre to dive to the basket on cuts. You also have the entire floor opening up for Steph and Draymond to get to the basket. KP is the perfect player in that offense. Not really. Draymond isn´t dangerous as a ballhandler because he cannot finish at the rim. KP is not a great rim runner and cannot take advantage of mismatches. Easy switch for the defense. The Draymond-Curry pick and roll works because Curry is the best shooter of all time. KP is league average. Not on the same level in terms of gravity and off ball impact. Curry is also a way better iso scorer and can take advantage of switches. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 01:04 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Just saying keep an eye on this Mavs/Warriors connection... That's what makes all of the situation so weird in my book. GSW have been frequent trade partners with the Mavs. If there was something to this rumor, I just can't imagine them leaking it and we all know the MBT are tight lipped. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Omega_Supreme - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 02:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Not really. Draymond isn´t dangerous as a ballhandler because he cannot finish at the rim. KP is not a great rim runner and cannot take advantage of mismatches. Easy switch for the defense. I just showed you a video with Draymond with 18 assists and your first sentence says, "Draymond isn't dangerous as a ballhandler". SMH KP is very dangerous as a cutter, he just does not do it much. Golden St. is not going to post him up they are perfectly fine with him parked at the 3 point line opening up the lanes for Draymond's pick and roll 2 man game with Steph. Not sure if you have watched them as much as I have but lots of people on twitter and other analysts think it could be a perfect match as well. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - DanSchwartzgan - 02-27-2021 Put me in the camp that says KP would be great (when he plays) in GS. Their remaining window with Curry (32 and signed for one more year) is a major consideration. Thompson and Green are both signed for 3 seasons past this one (as is KP with a PO for the final year). They don't seem to have a budget and can't really afford to be too cheap with Curry's UFA year coming up. Wiseman and the TWolve pick are there to bring back talent for the current era and KP fits the bill. What they have left after the 23/24 season is a problem for another day. I don't believe the Mav Brass's protests that they haven't discussed KP with anyone. I don't believe it is necessarily GS who leaked this (there could easily be a third team involved. I don't do this for anything less than Wiseman and the best GS pick this summer. I suspect that is not the issue. The issue (assuming this is all true) is probably the filler. There are versions of this that would be built around Wiggins as filler (which probably puts Dallas into the tax). There are versions of this that would be built around Oubre and more filler (which would put GS FURTHER into the tax). For argument sake, let's say Dallas is trying to use an expiring player and a pick or pick-swap to get another player. Dallas would want expiring Oubre to send out. GS could easily say..."no, send one of your own expiring contracts to Atlanta because you need to take Wiggins". RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-27-2021 (02-27-2021, 02:55 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Put me in the camp that says KP would be great (when he plays) in GS. Their remaining window with Curry (32 and signed for one more year) is a major consideration. Thompson and Green are both signed for 3 seasons past this one (as is KP with a PO for the final year). They don't seem to have a budget and can't really afford to be too cheap with Curry's UFA year coming up. Wiseman and the TWolve pick are there to bring back talent for the current era and KP fits the bill. What they have left after the 23/24 season is a problem for another day. I never would have guessed you thought there was validity to this. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - Kammrath - 02-27-2021 RE: Marc J Spears So @"SleepingHero" that Davis trade example is actually a good example of how he is connected and is a mouthpiece for agents and teams. So yes, he was "wrong" about Davis being traded, but so was everyone else in the industry at that time, including Shams. The Pelicans were using the media to push back against the Rich Paul and the Lakers who were generating public pressure that was going to hamstring the Pels leverage in negotiations. So I am NOT saying Marc J Spears would ever break trade news (he won't), but he will be the purposeful mouthpiece of agents and teams. My point in this scenario: Someone is purposely feeding him information about KP being available in a trade. Almost certainly KP's brother OR another team that wants public pressure on the Mavs to mount so they are pressured into doing something. The Mavs may not cave to this pressure, but this news means somebody really wants KP trade rumors swirling. All I know is that it is NOT the Mavs organization. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | Marc Spears: Mavs are shopping KP - cow - 02-27-2021 I also think we need to chill out with the fit conversation. I'm guilty of this too. If Kerr and GSW can turn around Wiggins, I'm pretty sure they'll have no problem utilizing KP's skillset. If there fire to this KP smoke, do we continue to play him? |