(02-26-2021, 01:06 PM)cow Wrote: what's the last successful trade he really pulled off

(02-26-2021, 01:14 PM)cow Wrote: Speaking of underrated points.  It's probably why Wiggins has shown improvement on the defensive end too.

(02-26-2021, 01:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I have no idea what Wiseman's ceiling is, but I know he'll have a good career. He'll be much more useful than Marvin Bagley, for example. Probably better than KP, too, imo.

(02-26-2021, 01:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: So far he's been good, not great. You can see the talent, but he's extremely raw. I think without Draymond coaching him he'd be lost and probably get barely 10mpg.

(02-26-2021, 01:25 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's hard to evaluate the JRich+Bey for Curry trade just yet, so I'm going to hold off on that. 

The last Mavs trades previously were: 

Johnson for Wright+Justin Jackson+ A 2023 2nd round pick swap (more favorable) and a 2026 2nd rounder. 

Bleh. Not good. But certainly not terrible. Johnson DOES fill a role here. We saw the team look totally different last night against PHI when he started the 3rd. The dude doesn't have much left, but he's a tough guy that can still defend, and that's what we were looking for weren't we? If he could just hit a damn 3 he'd be our PJ Tucker and we'd be singing praises. The 2 picks are what really tank this trade. The fact we gave up 2 picks for Wright in the first place is what kills it. 

Next trade: WCS for UTA's 2020 2nd round pick. 

I'd rank this one as a slight positive. We got WCS for essentially the 60th pick in the draft which is great great value. If WCS could actually make a dunk this would've been a homerun, but alas. In any case, WCS for the 60th pick is good. Good trade by Donnie.

Delon Wright for Satnam Singh+2021 POR 2nd round pick, and a 2023 2nd round pick swap (least favorable)

Meh again. Basically Wright for 2 2nd rounders. It was a gamble. If Wright had worked he'd have been the secondary playmaker, defender, and lead guard we'd have been clamoring for that summer. Remember that Pat Bev hype? Wright would've been the younger version. Nice try. Not good though. Also because Satnam was traded this was the worst trade in franchise history. 

Then we get to the Luka trade and Kristaps trade. Both of which were fantastic franchise altering ones.

So Donnie is on a cold streak compared to those trades sure. But compared to the rest of the league? He's been average-ish.

(02-26-2021, 12:11 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: That just shows how far off we are when it comes to KPs value. Most Warriors fans don´t want to trade Wiggins straight up for KP. Wiggins is on a horrible contract as well but he improved as a defender and rarely misses games. Wiggins missed one game in his first four seasons. 19 over his entire career. Oubres contract is a lot better but he probably is the worst player among the three mentioned guys.
Healthy KP is obviously a way better player and we can hope that GMs have a higher opinion than the fans but I do think that the 2nd pick in the draft has more value than KP right now. Even more important. The Warriors play a switch heavy defense. Not sure how that is going to work with KP.
Personally I would do it without thinking twice but I am probably higher on Wiseman than most guys. People tend to forget that he is among the youngest players in the draft class and never played any college games. No suprise that he isn´t having a positive net impact in his first season. But he has nearly unlimited potential. Make no mistake. He would have been the undisputed first pick without the ban.

(02-26-2021, 01:34 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: I've been super impressed with Wiseman. Maybe not the rebounder Ayton is but more aware defensively. Super strong, deceptively so. Will be a better scorer than Ayton with faster feet, better in transition. Great lower body. I think he's going to develop into an absolute beast and his efficiency will improve as he matures. A true modern center who will score at three levels, with verticality, switchability, rim protection.

(02-26-2021, 01:43 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I hate the Curry trade because the Mavs never replaced what they lost. You do that trade when you have a guy on your roster that can shoot it close to the same clip Curry did. The Mavs simply traded top 5 three point shooting for an average to above average defender. 

We never replaced what we lost in Curry's 3 point shooting. If that was expected to be offered with Terry in the draft then that was wishful thinking. 

The Mavs philosophy has always been that way. 

Donnie offseason should put him on the hotseat

Don't get me started on Christian Wood

(02-26-2021, 01:35 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: You cannot hold off on the Richardson trade then say the KP trade was fantastic.

(02-26-2021, 01:43 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I hate the Curry trade because the Mavs never replaced what they lost. You do that trade when you have a guy on your roster that can shoot it close to the same clip Curry did. The Mavs simply traded top 5 three point shooting for an average to above average defender. 

We never replaced what we lost in Curry's 3 point shooting. If that was expected to be offered with Terry in the draft then that was wishful thinking. 

(02-26-2021, 01:25 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It's hard to evaluate the JRich+Bey for Curry trade just yet, so I'm going to hold off on that. 

Then we get to the Luka trade and Kristaps trade. Both of which were fantastic franchise altering ones.

So Donnie is on a cold streak compared to those trades sure. But compared to the rest of the league? He's been average-ish.

(02-26-2021, 01:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think Wiseman can be a multi-time all-star, but I also think it's just as likely as he'd be a Jonas Valanciunas. Not franchise changing, but super solid.

(02-26-2021, 01:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Draymond on the defensive end is like Curry on the offensive end. Dude is a defensive savant.


Makes me go back and cringe how I missed that when the Warriors were contemplating getting rid of him and how I was vocally against the Mavs putting their hat in the ring.

(02-26-2021, 01:43 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I hate the Curry trade because the Mavs never replaced what they lost. You do that trade when you have a guy on your roster that can shoot it close to the same clip Curry did. The Mavs simply traded top 5 three point shooting for an average to above average defender. 

We never replaced what we lost in Curry's 3 point shooting. If that was expected to be offered with Terry in the draft then that was wishful thinking. 

The Mavs philosophy has always been that way. 

Donnie offseason should put him on the hotseat

Don't get me started on Christian Wood

(02-26-2021, 01:48 PM)cow Wrote: Curry was loss and it's compounded by drafting.  Would you rather have Bey-Bey-Curry or JRich, Green, TT, Bey?  I hope Green proves me wrong but Bey is having an immediate impact.  And I'm not second guessing the Curry trade, I hated it when it happened.  

(02-26-2021, 01:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, that's basically what I'm saying. Not overly familiar with Valanciunas, so maybe not specifically that part, but overall, yeah - the above is my point.

(02-26-2021, 01:56 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Curry’s great 3 shooting is very overrated. He was not a clutch 3 shooter nor was he one to shoot 3’s unconsciously game after game. He regularly passed up on the shot if he wasn’t extremely wide open. Maybe that was a role he wasn’t being coached to do (RC?) but it was for sure the role he settled into.

(02-26-2021, 01:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I was in the exact same boat as you with the Curry trade when it happened. I wasn't sold instantly on JRich. Obviously he hasn't been the clear cut better player at all. In fact a slight downgrade. But I'm also trying to be fair and recognize that the team looks broken in a bunch of places now that could be causing JRich to look quite worse.

With that said, I'm fully prepared to admit that trade was a failure when the time comes because how does one just give away Curry like that.

And the fact we passed up S.Bey.....ugh. Still hurts. Need bourbon.