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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Jommybone - 02-26-2021 Optimist’s sunshine take: Mavs show all kinds of promise this season. Brunson and Kleeber continuing to improve and turning into legit players. DFS looks like he can shoot the 3 consistently enough to be a real 3&D guy. Luka’s 3 balls are hitting at a 4% better clip than last season. Trey and THJ are just killing it from deep. Even Dwight, who has struggled, looks like he’s ahead of schedule for a full recovery from that dreaded achilles injury (although he also looks like he should permanently quit attempting 3 pointers). The only setback is KP’s current inability to return to pre-surgery form. That problem, which is taking ALL of this board’s space currently, may fix itself. Or it may not. But there’s a lot to feel good about re this year’s Mavs. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - khaled1987 - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 02:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: *Vomit* The opinion about Wiggins around fans has changed significantly this year, he is no more seen by most as negative value, although I know there were discussions before about him here that proves he hasn't changed much I am actually not surprised by GSW fans thinking that, right now KP has closer to negative value than positive one, he is simply a guy under 3 more years contract that lack the one skill that beat anything else and it is being available for games. Until he has at least a semi/full healthy season, it won't get better. (02-26-2021, 08:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: one guy that depends on his athleticism to make an impact coming back from an achilles injury, Regarding DP, there is a thought I have about this. DP, Wes, Barea all came back from Achilles injury soon or sooner than expected, iirc non of them even stayed out full year. But non of them either came back anywhere near athletic than they were, and it didn't really improve over time much (jury still on DP) Watching Wall and KD, who had like twice the time our players had, it makes me wonder if Mavs medical stuff approach is outdated? That maybe there is another new approach out there for this injury that takes longer time but has better results long term? I am also wondering about same thing with KP latest injury, although knee injuries are trickier tbf RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - SleepingHero - 02-26-2021 Instead of trading Kristaps, lets trade for another star to add to the group https://tradenba.com/trades/rMshJZVfL DAL: Oladipo/Tucker HOU: James Johnson/Josh Richardson/Tyrell Terry/2022 2nd round pick. There was a report earlier this month that Houston wasn't prioritizing picks for their players, and instead wanted expiring contracts and/or young players. HOU gets a young dude in Terry, a small pick but a pick nonetheless, and 2 expiring contracts. Mavs hypothetically get a 3rd star that does a lot of things the Mavs need on the perimeter. Dipo has regressed a lot since going to HOU (was averaging 20/6/4/ on 42/36/73 in IND, now 18/5/5 on 39/28/73), which is a bit concerning, but also why I can see him going at a reduced cost. Tucker can be the more consistent DFS, which is much needed. This deal probably doesn't get done unless the Mavs take on a bad contract, which could be Eric Gordon. And I don't mind it. A revised trade could: HOU: James Johnson+Richardson+Terry+Drummond+2nd round pick CLE: Powell+Kurucs+2nd rounder from DAL DAL: Oladipo+Tucker+Gordon. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - HanspardShowerVoice - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 02:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: *Vomit* You're forgetting the HUGELY valuable Romeo Langford piece. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - MFFL - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 08:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: The one thing that I simply cannot understand: Who thought that it was a good idea to enter the season with the current bigman rotation. We did add JJ and I was excited about that until I watched him play. Occasionally he is good but his ability to score has just disappeared Instead of an asset, JJ is just the method we used to get rid of Wright's contract. It's sad that last offseason was used to get rid of the players that we acquired the previous offseason RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - loki - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 09:50 AM)MFFL Wrote: We did add JJ and I was excited about that until I watched him play. Occasionally he is good but his ability to score has just disappeared It's worse than that. They paid two 2nd round picks in the Wright sign and trade. They could have simply cut their losses and moved him for an expiring (Ariza) from Detroit, but instead they gave up two more 2nd's to bring in JJ from OKC. In total, that's four 2nd round picks for the privilege of paying $16m to a 3rd stringer. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ClutchDirk - 02-26-2021 https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1365113812253302789 RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - SleepingHero - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:21 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1365113812253302789 Ooof. On the one hand, if true, then we know KP isn't being held out for some trade and the Mavs are lying to cover it up or some poppycock. On the other, not a good look that during his mini-training camp he hurts his back bad enough to be out an additional week and has to wear a back brace. Unfortunate. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ClutchDirk - 02-26-2021 https://mayoh.substack.com/p/kristaps-porzingis-to-dc-heres-what RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - SleepingHero - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:16 AM)loki Wrote: It's worse than that. They paid two 2nd round picks in the Wright sign and trade. They could have simply cut their losses and moved him for an expiring (Ariza) from Detroit, but instead they gave up two more 2nd's to bring in JJ from OKC. The Delon Wright move will always be such a giant mismanagement of assets that I hope it gave Donnie a gigantic wakeup call. I just can't fathom how a guy seemingly so good at trades can be such a colossal fuckup in free agency. Like why pay 2 2nd rounders for a guard that you're shaky on to begin with and then pay another 2 to just get rid of him the next year? Sheesh. Mavs would've been better off signing TJ McConnell for 2 years 7 mil. Or I don't know just throwing the minimum at Burke like they did this most recent summer instead of letting him walk to PHI for free??? It's puzzling. Donnie does moves that on the face of it just seem dumb from any perspective, but then he goes and manages to sign Seth to a 4 year 32 mil deal. Maxi on a similar 4 year 36 mil deal. DFS at 12 mil over 3 years. Amazing value signings. I swear it's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde when it comes to free agency with him. Sign one of the best 3pt shooters in the league on a discount, then give Powell an unneeded raise. Lockup Maxi for a reasonable deal. Give up 4 2nd rounders for Delon Wright. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Omega_Supreme - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: The Delon Wright move will always be such a giant mismanagement of assets that I hope it gave Donnie a gigantic wakeup call. I just can't fathom how a guy seemingly so good at trades can be such a colossal fuckup in free agency. Like why pay 2 2nd rounders for a guard that you're shaky on to begin with and then pay another 2 to just get rid of him the next year? I am going to give him a pass on Delon Wright. A GM needs to be on the side of positives for these these things than negatives. The decisions I am pissed about are the Seth Curry Trade, and the draft selections. There were quality win now options when we picked and they chose to pick guys that are a few years away. I am okay with our rookies but I think at this stage of the game the Mavs should be drafting best player available to build up their asset inventory. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ClutchDirk - 02-26-2021 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933610-nets-trade-rumors-spencer-dinwiddie-being-shopped-ahead-of-2021-deadline RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ItsGoTime - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:58 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I am going to give him a pass on Delon Wright.Why? 4 picks for a skillset that needs to be on the team and the coach can’t figure out how to make it work (possibly twice now). Neither Donnie or RC should get a pass. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - StepBackJay - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:21 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1365113812253302789 He does have a hurt back and ppl are over-freaking out ab that. I mean how many guys get sore backs? It's fine. I do also think that KP is being shopped whether that means heavily or lightly - Marc Spears confirmed that this is happened. Does this mean he will get traded at the TDL? I don't think so unless he is causing a lot of locker room issues. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - StepBackJay - 02-26-2021 To me the trade to make is Warriors Wiseman, Oubre + filler for KP which may or may not include the Minny pick depending on who is more desperate to make a deal. Mavs aren't going to win a title this year. Neither are the Warriors but I think they would do a Wisemen for KP deal in a heartbeat bc he fits their system and championship window. KP would slide into the Durant spot that they had a few years ago and altho KP is less talented he also fits their flow offense better than Durant did. Durant does a lot of iso and very effectively but the Warriors basically had to change their offense to make it work. Warriors would resume their 4 star lineup with Curry, Klay, Draymond, KP in 2022. For Mavs I don't think Wiseman is a step back because he fits better and you are also getting Oubre who is a good player + more importantly a lot of cap space. The cap space this offseason would help you grab another player or two. I just think Wiseman is a much better fit for this team going forward and lets you spend money on other positions. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ItsGoTime - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 11:38 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: To me the trade to make is Warriors Wiseman, Oubre + filler for KP which may or may not include the Minny pick depending on who is more desperate to make a deal.I guess I need to go back on hehestreams and watch some GS games with him. I read a Phil fan saying he is probably in the running to be runner-up ROTY currently. That is promising in an admitted deep but not top heavy draft class. Getting that 2021 would be pretty necessary for me though. Oubre instead of Wiggins doesn’t work salary-wise but if you add a Iwundu for Bazemore it does and I like that a ton more! Oubre looks to be basically the same as Wiggins in an expiring and much more cost effective deal. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - ItsGoTime - 02-26-2021 After that deal, I wonder if Atl would do a Collins/Gallinari for Kleber/JRich plus a pick or 2 deal (not the 2021 either the 2027 or 2 seconds). I think JRich would be good next to Trae and Kleber is a good fit next to almost any BIG. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - KillerLeft - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I guess I need to go back on hehestreams and watch some GS games with him. I read a Phil fan saying he is probably in the running to be runner-up ROTY currently. Wiseman is pretty special, athletically, and you already know about his size. He shows flashes of offensive skill from the outside and in transition, but those parts are less certain to become consistent. If he stays as mobile and aggressive as he becomes more comfortable, he could be a special defender, imo. I legit don't believe GS would give him for KP, though potential isn't everything, as we all know. Personally, I'd be thrilled. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - dirkfansince1998 - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 11:38 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: To me the trade to make is Warriors Wiseman, Oubre + filler for KP which may or may not include the Minny pick depending on who is more desperate to make a deal. That just shows how far off we are when it comes to KPs value. Most Warriors fans don´t want to trade Wiggins straight up for KP. Wiggins is on a horrible contract as well but he improved as a defender and rarely misses games. Wiggins missed one game in his first four seasons. 19 over his entire career. Oubres contract is a lot better but he probably is the worst player among the three mentioned guys. Healthy KP is obviously a way better player and we can hope that GMs have a higher opinion than the fans but I do think that the 2nd pick in the draft has more value than KP right now. Even more important. The Warriors play a switch heavy defense. Not sure how that is going to work with KP. Personally I would do it without thinking twice but I am probably higher on Wiseman than most guys. People tend to forget that he is among the youngest players in the draft class and never played any college games. No suprise that he isn´t having a positive net impact in his first season. But he has nearly unlimited potential. Make no mistake. He would have been the undisputed first pick without the ban. RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Tyler - 02-26-2021 (02-26-2021, 10:21 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1365113812253302789 Mavs: KP is out tonight. Fans: What? After the break? Mavs: Yeah, he strained his back. BR: Dallas is shopping KP! Mavs: Nah, he just strained his back. It has been a nagging thing, but he'll be fine. Anonymous totally unbiased execs: His value is low because he clearly can't play defense right now. Mavs: Well, it's really hard to play defense with a strained back, so... Fans: Did you see how he didn't run to hug Luka after he made the game winner? KP wants out! Mavs: Have we mentioned his back? Fans: *furiously building trade scenarios for pennies on the dollar* Mavs: Oh god. I'm so tired. Fans: Hey, did anyone else notice that KP is wearing a back brace? Mavs: Shoot me. |