(02-25-2021, 07:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Are the GS and Wash rumors designed to put pressure on Atlanta?

(02-25-2021, 02:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think the Mavs are going to be looking at trading KP at all until this summer at the earliest

(02-25-2021, 07:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: A few thoughts...

Dallas denials mean nothing.  We've seen this movie before.

Bertans can't be traded until March 3rd...less than a week away

I find it interesting that the likely packages from GS and Kamm's Washington deal are so similar.  Wiseman/Pick/Filler (Wiggins) vs. Avdija/Pick/Filler (Bertans and a C).

I think a Collins based deal could look roughly equivalent to these other deals with Collins/Pick/Filler (Bodganovic +).  Are the GS and Wash rumors designed to put pressure on Atlanta?

You have to be careful with these deals as you can only have two designated rookie max contracts.  Luka will be one.  Wiggins is one, but would expire before you'd extend Wiseman.  If you gave one to Collins, the player you'd get with Atlanta's pick would not be eligible.

You aren't adding a third star to Luka and KP in any of these deals (disappointing).  In fact, you are hoping you just replace KP with any Wiseman, Collins and Avdija.  But, with the lottery pick and cap room, you'd have more avenues to get that third star than you currently have.

In terms of sunk cost, count the pick we'd get as a replacement for our unprotected 2021 pick.  Count the filler as roughly equivalent to the filler we sent out in Jordan/Matthews/DSJ (nothing special there).  Count the true target of such a deal (Wiseman/Avdija/Collins) as roughly equivalent to the 2023 pick we gave up.  This doesn't sound crazy to me.

(02-25-2021, 08:17 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: the Collins for KP trade in the summer makes the most sense for me of all the speculation.

(02-25-2021, 08:11 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Great stuff as always. 

I think the smoke around GSW, ATL, WAS has this in common: They are all... 

1) underperforming teams, 
2) desperate to win now for various reasons, and 
3) have young talent to expend.

I think that is exactly the kind of team that will trade for KP. I think the Mavs are far better served aiming for young talent/pick in return for KP than an actually developed star (market for that is stupid inflated these days). 


Question for you @"DanSchwartzgan": What is your gut feeling on the timing of a KP trade if it were to happen? TDL? Summer? Next TDL?

(02-25-2021, 08:19 AM)Kammrath Wrote: But both teams are underperforming....so why wait?

(02-25-2021, 07:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: A few thoughts...

Dallas denials mean nothing.  We've seen this movie before.

Bertans can't be traded until March 3rd...less than a week away

I find it interesting that the likely packages from GS and Kamm's Washington deal are so similar.  Wiseman/Pick/Filler (Wiggins) vs. Avdija/Pick/Filler (Bertans and a C).

I think a Collins based deal could look roughly equivalent to these other deals with Collins/Pick/Filler (Bodganovic +).  Are the GS and Wash rumors designed to put pressure on Atlanta?

You have to be careful with these deals as you can only have two designated rookie max contracts.  Luka will be one.  Wiggins is one, but would expire before you'd extend Wiseman.  If you gave one to Collins, the player you'd get with Atlanta's pick would not be eligible.

You aren't adding a third star to Luka and KP in any of these deals (disappointing).  In fact, you are hoping you just replace KP with any Wiseman, Collins and Avdija.  But, with the lottery pick and cap room, you'd have more avenues to get that third star than you currently have.

In terms of sunk cost, count the pick we'd get as a replacement for our unprotected 2021 pick.  Count the filler as roughly equivalent to the filler we sent out in Jordan/Matthews/DSJ (nothing special there).  Count the true target of such a deal (Wiseman/Avdija/Collins) as roughly equivalent to the 2023 pick we gave up.  This doesn't sound crazy to me.

(02-25-2021, 07:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: A few thoughts...

Dallas denials mean nothing.  We've seen this movie before.

Bertans can't be traded until March 3rd...less than a week away

I find it interesting that the likely packages from GS and Kamm's Washington deal are so similar.  Wiseman/Pick/Filler (Wiggins) vs. Avdija/Pick/Filler (Bertans and a C).

I think a Collins based deal could look roughly equivalent to these other deals with Collins/Pick/Filler (Bodganovic +).  Are the GS and Wash rumors designed to put pressure on Atlanta?

You have to be careful with these deals as you can only have two designated rookie max contracts.  Luka will be one.  Wiggins is one, but would expire before you'd extend Wiseman.  If you gave one to Collins, the player you'd get with Atlanta's pick would not be eligible.

You aren't adding a third star to Luka and KP in any of these deals (disappointing).  In fact, you are hoping you just replace KP with any Wiseman, Collins and Avdija.  But, with the lottery pick and cap room, you'd have more avenues to get that third star than you currently have.

In terms of sunk cost, count the pick we'd get as a replacement for our unprotected 2021 pick.  Count the filler as roughly equivalent to the filler we sent out in Jordan/Matthews/DSJ (nothing special there).  Count the true target of such a deal (Wiseman/Avdija/Collins) as roughly equivalent to the 2023 pick we gave up.  This doesn't sound crazy to me.

(02-25-2021, 08:17 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Yeah, the Collins for KP trade in the summer makes the most sense for me of all the speculation.

(02-25-2021, 09:47 AM)haveitall Wrote: I think that its not a good time to trade KP.  He's had injuries but you need him to play at a high level before dealing him which means its unlikely before the TDL.  I think he will either come back and play well or not at all.  His ceiling is very high and I would still see what he has this year before doing a knee jerk trade.  If someone makes a great offer sure but no one will do it at this this time.