(02-24-2021, 11:04 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: You people have lost your everloving minds.  If that's all that KP can bring, just keep him and take your chances...Bertans, Hatcimura???  Omygosh, no to the way....

(02-24-2021, 11:04 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: You people have lost your everloving minds.  If that's all that KP can bring, just keep him and take your chances...Bertans, Hatcimura???  Omygosh, no to the way....

(02-24-2021, 11:20 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Avdija and Wiz 1st pick unprotected would be intriguing.  Good suggestion.  Not sure the Mavs have the patience for it though.

(02-24-2021, 11:32 PM)cow Wrote: but he's certainly a buy low candidate which is why teams are sniffing around him.

(02-24-2021, 11:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: So why are we feeding into that? These teams think they can get KP for pennies on the dollar, and then reap the rewards when he's 100%. Why should the Mavs willingly help these other teams? Because he's been bad on defense? Because he's on a max contract? Because he's been averaging 20/8 on good shooting splits during a rough patch??

If we're trading KP because he's a bad contract, who are we angling for this summer to throw money at that's clearly better than KP, and that we are otherwise unable to throw money at? 

Further, we can ALWAYS sell low. If by this time next year KP is still a shell of himself, then yeah it'd be time to look elsewhere, and the Mavs can then accept a menial deal of whoever wants him. 

Just makes zero sense to throw him in any trade right now unless its for a multi-time all star guy like Beal or KAT.

(02-24-2021, 11:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Further, we can ALWAYS sell low. If by this time next year KP is still a shell of himself, then yeah it'd be time to look elsewhere, and the Mavs can then accept a menial deal of whoever wants him. 

(02-24-2021, 11:48 PM)cow Wrote: You are assuming KP's value can't go lower which I don't think is accurate.  Injuries happen and he may not return to form.

(02-24-2021, 11:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Absolutely. 

I would be done with it, done with him and done with the risk if it were up to me. Luka is still young enough to almost completely start over. I am not impatient, and the absolute worst thing I can imagine is trying to piece a team around a broken Frankenstein‘s monster at center just to win 50 games X amount of times and never really contend. Barf.

(02-25-2021, 12:36 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Beaubois

(02-24-2021, 11:16 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: This is the key here. And its very telling given the whole news cycle yesterday about how the Mavs are "gauging" KPs trade value, which is vague in and of itself. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/02/23/mark-cuban-says-reports-of-mavericks-shopping-kristaps-porzingis-are-not-accurate/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

In Brad Townsend's latest update on the KP situation he says as follows: 

"The reality is that trading Porzingis any time in the near future, but especially now, would be a monumental mistake — an assessment that was seconded by several key members of the organization I spoke to Tuesday.
I was told that Mavericks president and general manager Donnie Nelson has pat answer for any fellow GMs who even consider engaging Dallas in trade talks.

“Draw a line under Luka Doncic and Porzingis as not available, then another line under several players that would require an over-the-top offer to acquire.”


Which has always been the position of the Mavs FO since acquiring KP. So why all the rumors? Well Brad goes on to say:

"I was emphatically told that the Mavericks have never initiated discussion with any franchise regarding a trade of Porzingis, but that on one occasion a team did inquire about Porzingis.

'The answer was a quick no,' the source said."

Ian Bagley was quick to tweet out yesterday that it was the Mavs that called the Warriors and had a quick chat. But the Warriors were an odd fit to begin with, unless the Mavs fell in love with Wiggins, and its hard to imagine that GSW would part ways with Draymond or Klay given how core they are. 

Now the Wizards come out and say "they are monitoring the KP situation"...? Well if the Mavs emphatically say KP is untouchable, what situation could they be talking about? Mavs aren't shopping him so....

Coming from the original BR story yesterday, there were several quotes from unnamed executives that ripped into KP, and made it seem like the Mavs had buyers remorse. It was interesting that the story specifically mentioned "one western conference executive", and "one eastern conference executive" when quoting. 

Could it be possible that it was actually the GMs for the Warriors and Wizards being quoted for that story?? But why would they tear down KP if they are supposedly interested in trading for him?

Well 1. It creates a divide in the locker room, and it hits KP right where it hurts. Potentially this divide could cause KP to want out and force a trade. Because now not only is KP the clear second fiddle behind Luka (something I feel he doesn't inherently like given his alpha nature), but the team that has said "we want him and Luka here for the next 20 years" are shopping him?? That's a betrayal any way you cut it, and it's hard if you're in KP's shoes to not want a fresh start where you can get out of Luka's shadow right? Well if KP were to force a trade, you get what you want, AND further devalue him. 

It's such a conniving move, but incredibly smart, to anonymously provide quotes for a rumor mill story about a team who's 2nd star is having a rough patch. And then frame it in such a way to make it seem like the Mavs want out of his deal. 

You know what I think? I think the Mavs are not trading KP for anything short of a multi-time all-star thats under contract. Thats the bare minimum they're looking for. And I think that there are several teams that want KP but are trying to devalue him through roundabout methods. 

I could be 1000% wrong, and that the Mavs were actually shopping him. But Mark/Donnie/Rick have never come out so bluntly and said "we're not interested in trading XXX" and then go trade him 3 weeks later. Even when DSJ was having his debacle, the Mavs never came out and said "No were not shopping him". They just said "we love DSJ and love to have him apart of our team". Similar statements, but very different meanings. 

Just my read of the tea leaves. But obviously people love to make big trades so I doubt this is going to stop the KP rumor mill.

(02-25-2021, 12:31 AM)Kammrath Wrote: @SleepingHero just wanted to say I appreciated your tea leaves reading effort, even if I don't necessarily buy it 100% at this point. I think you are asking the right questions though, trying to puzzle through where this originated and why. 

(02-25-2021, 12:31 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Assuming the reporter is being honest and accurate, then it leaves these two options:

1) Rival execs are speaking to poison the well and being at least partially dishonest in the process.

2) Rival execs are just passing along accurate information (knowing it doesn't hurt them to do so) and the Mavs are flat out lying in order to keep a possible diva-situation with KP from blowing up in their faces.

It seems your position is #1...but I think #2 is also very possible.

(02-24-2021, 11:48 PM)cow Wrote: We are feeding into because we are a discussion board and this "story" is gaining national attention.  We were also discussing this prior to the media catching wind of it  because we've noticed how bad KP has looked.

I'm not advocating that we trade him now.

(02-24-2021, 11:48 PM)cow Wrote: Who are the MBT angling for? Sounds like John Collins.  Color me skeptical based on the MBT's recent offseason success.

You are assuming KP's value can't go lower which I don't think is accurate.  Injuries happen and he may not return to form.

(02-24-2021, 11:48 PM)cow Wrote: You aren't getting Beal or KAT for KP at his current value without emptying the cupboard and taking back spoiled goods and even then, that's probably not enough.

(02-25-2021, 02:11 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Finally, like I said in the KP thread, the dude has had zero conditioning. He's coming off of a surgery. We gotta cut him some slack. I understand that KP's health has and it seems always will be the sticking point but even in his rough patch he's been producing quite well at least on 1 side of the court. And I can understand the concern about building around a guy with health problems and why I'm not married to the idea of KP being an Mav for life. But to trade him right now? For pennies on the dollar? Ludicrous. It's just too early. It'd be like leaving in the middle of a date because she's been in the bathroom a bit too long. Sure could've ditched. She could also be doing cocaine as far as we know. Lets give it a bit before we give up.

(02-25-2021, 02:18 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: And also you're right. KP could get injured yet again next game and never look the same. I hope that never happens but I'm not going to plan around a hypothetical that we cannot predict accurately at all. Especially if that means I have to trade away KP based on that hypothetical. 

(02-25-2021, 02:18 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:  Put it this way, if you told me in January of 2019 that the Mavs would be able to turn DSJ+Wes+DAJ into Kristaps+THJ, I'd have told you that you're smoking the good stuff and that's nowhere near enough value.

(02-25-2021, 02:30 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: My best work yet 

Dallas 
Al Horford
James Wiseman 
Timberwolves 1st 2021
Golden St. 1st 2021 (OKC removes Protections)

Golden St. 
Kristaps Porzingis 
George Hill
Wes Iwundu 

OKC
Willie Cauley-Stein
Jordan Pool
Andrew Wiggins 

OKC gets a young piece to pair with SGA for the future as Wiggins is just 25 with the same years left as Horford. OKC is essentially trading Horford for a younger long term piece.

(02-25-2021, 02:54 AM)cow Wrote: This is supposed to be a deep draft.  GSW would need to pay something to get off of Wiggins and something to obtain KP.  That doesn't seem unfair but I'm guessing they'd so no.  If Minny's pick conveys to GSW this year, GSW is ready for the post Steph/Klay/Draymond era with Wiseman and that pick.  

Likewise, I think OKC says no.  Wiggins to me has negative value.  Horford probably has negative value too but Presti can probably wizard his way into turning that into draft capital further down the road.

(02-25-2021, 04:13 AM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Wiggins and Wiseman is probably more like it.  Maybe the lower 1st round pick like you suggested.  No way they add in the Twolves pick if they're including Wiseman.

(02-24-2021, 10:03 PM)omahen Wrote: I am thinking Turner/Collins would be a very good frontcourt fit. Both can shoot it. Turner is a rim protector on defense, Collins PnR guy on offense. Both are not a total liability on perimeter defense. Unfortunately, I don't really see it happen.