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RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
I would also say KP value might not be that low, especially for desperate teams trying to turn it around. Potential candidates would be:
Atlanta, Washington, (perhaps) Chicago, Charlotte, (perhaps) New Orleans.
This one is for Kamm
Add small salary from Chicago to make it work:Dal: Adams, Markannen
Chi: Ball
New Orleans: KP
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - dirkfansince1998 - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:35 PM)omahen Wrote: I would also say KP value might not be that low, especially for desperate teams trying to turn it around. Potential candidates would be:
Atlanta, Washington, (perhaps) Chicago, Charlotte, (perhaps) New Orleans.
This one is for Kamm
Dal: Adams, Markannen
Chi: Ball
New Orleans: KP
Adams cannot be traded this season. He just signed a contract extension.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Tyler - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:09 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1364756767868125187
What a coincidence! Dallas is also among the teams monitoring Bradley Beal.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:34 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Wizards cannot match KPs salary if they do not include Westbrook or Beal.
Not really that difficult. They have Bertans at 15 mil. Add Hachimura or Avdija with 4,5 mil and a salary filler as Ish Smith or Lopez. Of course, I would never take this crap for KP, so third team would be needed to provide adequate value.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Kammrath - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:35 PM)omahen Wrote: Adams, Markannen
I like Adams....but not on the Markannen train right now, meaning I do not see him as a positive asset, but more of a project.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:38 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Adams cannot be traded this season. He just signed a contract extension.
Overlooked that. Still could be done something like this. Feels light, would really have to believe in Markannen
Dal:Young, Markannen
Chi: Bledsoe, Hayes, NO pick(s)
NO: KP
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Kammrath - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:38 PM)omahen Wrote: I would never take this crap for KP
Avdija, Bertans, and unprotected 1st this year is not that far off from KP's value IMO.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:42 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I like Adams....but not on the Markannen train right now, meaning I do not see him as a positive asset, but more of a project.
You just proposed to take Avdija
If Markannen is a prospect, what is then Avdija?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Kammrath - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:44 PM)omahen Wrote: Young, Markannen
I would slam the door on that. Not even close to enough from my seat.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Avdija, Bertans, and unprotected 1st this year is not that far off from KP's value IMO.
I think Mavs would only be interested in a trade that makes them better now. So ship that Avdija and pick package (and more if needed) for someone who does bring this value.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Kammrath - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:45 PM)omahen Wrote: If Markannen is a prospect, what is then Avdija?
I like what I have seen from Avdija. He brings a lot of intangibles (what the Mavs need around Luka) and has been an on court positive.
Markannen is putting up numbers but is KILLING the team in the process with a team worst -13.1 on/off. UGH.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Kammrath - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:47 PM)omahen Wrote: I think Mavs would only be interested in a trade that makes them better now. So ship that Avdija and pick package (and more if needed) for someone who does bring this value.
You are probably right. But I do think Bertans makes the team better NOW and I think those two assets (Avdija+1st) could be huge for long term building around Luka.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:48 PM)Kammrath Wrote: But I do think Bertans makes the team better NOW and I think those two assets (Avdija+1st) could be huge for long term building around Luka.
I don't agree this package makes the team better now, not even close imho. Bertans is offense only and is worse than KP in that regard. Basically bench shooting spark guy. Overpaid. But Avdija and 1st (plus more from Dallas if needed) might be enough for Collins type of players.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - omahen - 02-24-2021
I am thinking Turner/Collins would be a very good frontcourt fit. Both can shoot it. Turner is a rim protector on defense, Collins PnR guy on offense. Both are not a total liability on perimeter defense. Unfortunately, I don't really see it happen.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Hypermav - 02-24-2021
If the Mavs can get several teams interested, the bidding war should at least return equal value.
Equal value is in the eye of the beholder but this is encouraging.
Beal is the prize though. I would give KP plus rookies or a pick to get Beal.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - Omega_Supreme - 02-24-2021
Equal value to me is picks and young players.
If Washington wants to add a 3rd star the price IMO starts at Hachimura and Advija and draft capital.
The Mavs asking price needs to equal what we gave up which was 1 young lottery piece, 2 draft picks and vets.
A case can be made for an AD type of package that would be my asking price.
Hachimura
Advija
2021 1st
2023 protected 1st
Hachimura
Robin Lopez
Tomas Bryant
Ish Smith
Washington
KP
Iwundu
Burke
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - DanSchwartzgan - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Avdija, Bertans, and unprotected 1st this year is not that far off from KP's value IMO.
What is the salary filler in this proposed deal?
Expiring Lozez
or
Injured (23 year old) Bryant
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - TXBamanut - 02-24-2021
You people have lost your everloving minds. If that's all that KP can bring, just keep him and take your chances...Bertans, Hatcimura??? Omygosh, no to the way....
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - SleepingHero - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 09:23 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Two things from that piece:
1) "Washington would have interest in the 7’3″ big man as a potential third star alongside Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal."
2) "There’s a sense around the league that Porzingis is not truly available at this time."
This is the key here. And its very telling given the whole news cycle yesterday about how the Mavs are "gauging" KPs trade value, which is vague in and of itself.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/02/23/mark-cuban-says-reports-of-mavericks-shopping-kristaps-porzingis-are-not-accurate/?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
In Brad Townsend's latest update on the KP situation he says as follows:
"The reality is that trading Porzingis any time in the near future, but especially now, would be a monumental mistake — an assessment that was seconded by several key members of the organization I spoke to Tuesday.
I was told that Mavericks president and general manager Donnie Nelson has pat answer for any fellow GMs who even consider engaging Dallas in trade talks.
“Draw a line under Luka Doncic and Porzingis as not available, then another line under several players that would require an over-the-top offer to acquire.”
Which has always been the position of the Mavs FO since acquiring KP. So why all the rumors? Well Brad goes on to say:
"I was emphatically told that the Mavericks have never initiated discussion with any franchise regarding a trade of Porzingis, but that on one occasion a team did inquire about Porzingis.
'The answer was a quick no,' the source said."
Ian Bagley was quick to tweet out yesterday that it was the Mavs that called the Warriors and had a quick chat. But the Warriors were an odd fit to begin with, unless the Mavs fell in love with Wiggins, and its hard to imagine that GSW would part ways with Draymond or Klay given how core they are.
Now the Wizards come out and say "they are monitoring the KP situation"...? Well if the Mavs emphatically say KP is untouchable, what situation could they be talking about? Mavs aren't shopping him so....
Coming from the original BR story yesterday, there were several quotes from unnamed executives that ripped into KP, and made it seem like the Mavs had buyers remorse. It was interesting that the story specifically mentioned "one western conference executive", and "one eastern conference executive" when quoting.
Could it be possible that it was actually the GMs for the Warriors and Wizards being quoted for that story?? But why would they tear down KP if they are supposedly interested in trading for him?
Well 1. It creates a divide in the locker room, and it hits KP right where it hurts. Potentially this divide could cause KP to want out and force a trade. Because now not only is KP the clear second fiddle behind Luka (something I feel he doesn't inherently like given his alpha nature), but the team that has said "we want him and Luka here for the next 20 years" are shopping him?? That's a betrayal any way you cut it, and it's hard if you're in KP's shoes to not want a fresh start where you can get out of Luka's shadow right? Well if KP were to force a trade, you get what you want, AND further devalue him.
It's such a conniving move, but incredibly smart, to anonymously provide quotes for a rumor mill story about a team who's 2nd star is having a rough patch. And then frame it in such a way to make it seem like the Mavs want out of his deal.
You know what I think? I think the Mavs are not trading KP for anything short of a multi-time all-star thats under contract. Thats the bare minimum they're looking for. And I think that there are several teams that want KP but are trying to devalue him through roundabout methods.
I could be 1000% wrong, and that the Mavs were actually shopping him. But Mark/Donnie/Rick have never come out so bluntly and said "we're not interested in trading XXX" and then go trade him 3 weeks later. Even when DSJ was having his debacle, the Mavs never came out and said "No were not shopping him". They just said "we love DSJ and love to have him apart of our team". Similar statements, but very different meanings.
Just my read of the tea leaves. But obviously people love to make big trades so I doubt this is going to stop the KP rumor mill.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Mar 25 TDL | WAS among teams monitoring KP situation - cow - 02-24-2021
(02-24-2021, 10:05 PM)Hypermav Wrote: If the Mavs can get several teams interested, the bidding war should at least return equal value.
Equal value is in the eye of the beholder but this is encouraging.
Beal is the prize though. I would give KP plus rookies or a pick to get Beal.
Going by the recent market, Beal should bring back at least 3x FRPs and that might be on the low end (young player, pick swaps, help facilitate dumping Westbrook's contract).
KP's value isn't great right now. I'm doubtful the Mavs could break even on what is still owed for him. I'm not sure you could build an attractive package that swaps KP for Beal. Maybe this is just an exercise for Washington to try and keep Beal long term by taking a shot at a buy low candidate.