(02-21-2021, 02:20 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I mostly agree with your other sentiments, although I am easing my hold on those thoughts. To me, it's about WHO the big man is and HOW he is played based on that evaluation.

As far as DAJ, he needed CP3 in his face all the time to keep the level of play he had in LA, and that level of play was INCREDIBLE. I would even say better than Drummond cause he was an offensive and defensive monster for that team. 

He gave his all for CP3, I don't think there is another player in the league that can match what CP3 did for him, maybe Butler, but at this point, yes, DAJ is fully done and even if he was paired with CP3 again, the effect wouldn't be the same, even if on a smaller scale. The passion to take that kind of beat down to raise his level of play is gone from him IMO.

(02-21-2021, 03:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The extremely pro-Drummond people are, to me, the same type of people who used to believe Danny Fortson was the answer to all of the Nash/Dirk/Finley era problems. He was not.

In fact, Fortson is a good comp for Drummond in some ways. He was the “best” rebounder for a while, too. Like Drummond, he just didn’t play an all around game that helped achieve wins.

(02-21-2021, 04:08 PM)cow Wrote: Drummond is seemingly cheap to obtain and comes without long term commitment.  I don't really see the harm in kicking the tires.  Worst case is that he has long conversations with Boban as the sit at the end of the bench.

(02-21-2021, 04:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: No argument there. I have no problem with the idea of signing him after a buyout, just the idea that he’s some sort of miracle cure for the team.

(02-21-2021, 04:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: just the idea that he’s some sort of miracle cure for the team.

(02-21-2021, 05:00 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I hope you don't get that idea from me. Cause I'm far from thinking he's that.

KillerLeft Wrote:Lol. I wasn’t meaning to use simple box score stats to make a case against him, just to demonstrate that I’ve been following him nightly and even watching him fairly regularly.

What I’ve seen from him, both last year here and this year in Detroit has been underwhelming, and the biggest confirmation of this is the quality of his team’s season, seeing as his role is that of main ball-handler. He’s probably the worst player in the league currently occupying that job, though it’s certainly not his fault he has been put in that position.

I do agree that he’s a better player than Johnson, but as even the most casual Mavs fan should know, that trade wasn’t about talent for talent - it was a financial/cap related move, as most deals are. I fail to see what possible point can be made through comparison. Please help me understand what you’re driving at there.

(02-22-2021, 08:13 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Wright has played well for them, despite your claims he hasn't. We know he's not a starting PG, but he has filled a role until Hayes come back.  He played good for Casey in Toronto. Don't see why you're clowning him because he didn't play well in Dallas.  He is what he is. They have beat some good teams, Phoenix, Lakers, Nets, Philly, and Boston twice. They play hard, and are actually fun to watch. One coach even said they are the best worst team in the NBA.

(02-22-2021, 01:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: He has played well SOMETIMES, which is what I've said consistently. Definitely not all the time, no.

Clowning him? I'm not trying to clown anyone at all. Not sure where that's coming from. I have no problem with Wright, just a slight annoyance with revisionist history. Now that he's hurt, what will happen next is that DSJ will get a stretch of games where he plays a lot - maybe even starts. At some point, he'll put up some points and dish out some assists in a game and people will login here to tell us about how Carlisle wasn't a good enough coach to develop him properly, or that Donnie messed up by trading him for KP. This WILL happen, because it has never not happened before, with literally any player the Mavs have let expire/traded away. If I was clowning anyone (I wasn't), it was the crowd that enjoys doing that.

KillerLeft Wrote:He has played well SOMETIMES, which is what I've said consistently. Definitely not all the time, no.

Clowning him? I'm not trying to clown anyone at all. Not sure where that's coming from. I have no problem with Wright, just a slight annoyance with revisionist history. Now that he's hurt, what will happen next is that DSJ will get a stretch of games where he plays a lot - maybe even starts. At some point, he'll put up some points and dish out some assists in a game and people will login here to tell us about how Carlisle wasn't a good enough coach to develop him properly, or that Donnie messed up by trading him for KP. This WILL happen, because it has never not happened before, with literally any player the Mavs have let expire/traded away. If I was clowning anyone (I wasn't), it was the crowd that enjoys doing that.

1. "Dallas Mavericks receive: Andre DrummondCleveland Cavaliers receive: James Johnson, Dwight Powell, 2021 second-round pick and 2022 second-round pickAndre Drummond puts huge numbers in the box score—13-plus rebounds per game in eight of his nine NBA seasons—but his impact doesn't always measure up. If it did, he might be playing his way into Cleveland's long-term plans instead of sitting and waiting for a trade out of town.But Drummond might help the right contender in a rather big way. If there was a win-now dreamer that, say, had an MVP candidate running its offense but couldn't gain ground in the standings due to bottom-five rankings on defense and the glass, maybe Drummond would stand out as a significant addition.Well, the Mavericks are getting MVP-caliber contributions from Luka Doncic (29.1 points, 9.4 assists and 8.6 rebounds per game), but they're sitting a disappointing 10th in the West. Care to guess the culprits? Let's just say Dallas is doing itself no favors on defense (27th) or the glass (27th in rebounding percentage).While Mavs head coach Rick Carlisle stopped short of labeling a glass-cleaning big man as a pressing deadline need, per Callie Caplan of the Dallas Morning News, he hardly dampened deadline expectations for Mavs governor Mark Cuban and president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson."You know Mark and Donnie. These guys are gunslingers," Carlisle said. "They're riverboat gamblers, and they're ready to talk about anything that would get the team better."It's hard to see how this exchange wouldn't improve the Mavericks. Drummond would immediately add bulk and boards, and the trade cost would be minuscule. James Johnson has fallen out of the rotation. The same goes for Dwight Powell, who's owed more than $11 million each of the next two seasons. Dented cans aren't discounted this much.For Cleveland, though, Drummond lost any hope of being its center of the future once Jarrett Allen came aboard. The Cavs have already shifted to life after Drummond, so anything they bring back at this point would help them come out ahead. The chance one or both of the second-round picks could hit on someone interesting should be enough for Cleveland to sign off on the swap."

(02-22-2021, 01:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: If they don´t trade Johnson (5 weeks left) it´s basically confirmed.

(02-21-2021, 03:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: The extremely pro-Drummond people are, to me, the same type of people who used to believe Danny Fortson was the answer to all of the Nash/Dirk/Finley era problems. He was not.

In fact, Fortson is a good comp for Drummond in some ways. He was the “best” rebounder for a while, too. Like Drummond, he just didn’t play an all around game that helped achieve wins.

(02-22-2021, 11:59 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933005-league-sources-say-mavericks-quietly-gauging-kristaps-porzingis-trade-value