(02-20-2021, 12:33 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: In the offseason, I thought throwing some spare part expirings for Griffin or Love would have been okay as I have thought and still do that the 4 spot is the biggest issue when you have a guy like KP. You need the Randle / (young) Griffin body type and athleticism to cover for KPs lack of strength and twitch (to copy a Sturm football term).  I’m glad that didn’t happen as those guys look completely washed.  But, I think I’m also ready to get off the KP train.  I don’t think he’s used right, and I don’t think he even gets what he is and what his strengths and weaknesses are.  2021 FA looks bleak, the cap space is fool’s gold, we have expirings and some assets, so I think it’s time to shake this roster up. Orlando is going nowhere except backwards. Atlanta desperately wants in the playoffs, and they are sinking fast. I tried some 3 way trades but had to send Capela to Orlando....so I threw in the hapless TWolves and found an absolutely bonkers 4 team fantasy trade...of course for fun and yucks, and here is the result:  

MIN receives
Tony Snell ($12.1 expiring)
Kris Dunn
Maybe a 2nd for their help.

ORL receives
Rajon Rondo
James Johnson ($15.7 expiring)
Tim Hardaway, Jr. ($18.9 expiring)
Cam Reddish
2021 ATL 1st
2022 ATL 1st (best of the 2 as they have OKC’s)
2025 DAL 1st

ATL receives
Kristaps Porzingis
Aaron Gordon
Jalen Brunson
James Ennis III

DAL receives
Nikola Vucevic
John Collins
Danilo Gallinari
Ricky Rubio

Pick Rationale:
ATL is sending 3 1sts, Reddish, and a ton of expiring money for Vuc and Gordon.
DAL is providing one of the 1sts, Brunson, KP, and the expiring JJ and THJ for Collins, Gallinari, and Vuc, which seems reasonable to me.
ORL can start over...again.
MIN gets a little salary relief for next year. They really need their guys back to see what on earth they actually have there.

For ATL, the Capela factor really could offset KPs liabilities better than what we have. Gordon gives them a nice Collins replacement, and you can easily play those 3 together or mix and match. Brunson is a perfect Young back up.  KP will still have a Euro buddy in Bogdan.  Young, Hunter, Gordon, KP, Capela, Bogdan, Huerter, and Jalen is pretty salty.

For Dal, Vuc and Collins should be phenomenal at the 4 and 5 offensively and with rebounding. And we get a true back up PG who is a solid defender. Gallo is the 6th man replacing THJ. 

Luka / Rubio
JRich / Burke / Green
DFS / Gallinari / Iwundu / Green
Collins / Kleber / Gallinari
Vuc / WCS / Powell / Boban

Fun stuff.  Never had the courage to post this kind of thing, so please be gentle in you bashing!

(02-20-2021, 10:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: With hehestreams, I too have “league pass” and for the first time in many many years I have started watching a few non-Mavs games. KL got my watching fever going last playoffs when he was talking about the great games going on.

(02-20-2021, 11:55 AM)omahen Wrote: I really like Fournier, I think he is a slightly better version of THJ. Problem I see - where in the guard rotation do you put him? Minutes are already scarce between Luka, JRich, DFS, THJ and Brunson on PG, SG and SF positions. With basically zero minutes available for rookies. Of course there is not really any point to switch any of the guys I mentioned with Fournier. 

I guess you would have same problem with Bamba. He is probably not really ready to contribute and we already have a bunch of centers who are not really ready to contribute.

(02-20-2021, 01:51 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Doncic 30 / Brunson 18
Richardson 30 / THJ 18
Fournier 30 / THJ 12 / DFS 6
Maxi 24 / DFS 24
KP 30 / Bamba 18

(02-20-2021, 01:08 PM)chaparral Wrote: As Dirkfansice1998 said above were on a basketball forum.  And this post is pretty nerdy and I like it.  I would take any one of them on the Mavs by themselves.  Did you check this in a trade machine?

Oh my, I cant believe it,  I, I'm.  I'm a Basketball Nerd as well...

(02-20-2021, 06:14 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1363263875219664896

(02-20-2021, 01:44 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Some of you guys are just looking for things to be pissed off about. I find that hilarious, given that there are so many real things to be pissed off about.

Here is how I see the reality of the DeLon Wright situation:

He was terrible here. Not “meh” but really bad. What’s worse is hat he was a whiner about it. Fortunately, they were able to unload his contract to Detroit. For the first month of the season in Detroit, Casey had him almost completely out of the rotation, just like Carlisle did here. That’s because he wasn’t playing well. Then, the rookie Hayes got injured, and Casey STILL tried not to play Wright. Ultimately, he had no choice but to commit to a role for him. Since that time he has had maybe five or six good games, but most of them have been really, really underwhelming. How do I know this? Because he’s on my fantasy team and so I am aware of what he puts up each and every night. Wright is still a young player, but Detroit saw fit to double down on Hayes by trading for DSJ. THAT’s how little they think of Wright already. 

And oh yeah - Detroit is one of the worst teams in the league. Think that has anything to do with subpar PG play? Yeah me, too.

If you want to bash the MBT for SIGNING Wright, fine. But it’s pretty cheap to hit them for cleaning up the mistake, too. 

In conclusion, Wright sucks. Yay Mavs for no longer employing Wright.

(02-21-2021, 02:13 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Wright’s been pretty good this year and was decent last year until the bubble. Fantasy stats don’t matter. In the real advanced metrics, he has a PER of 17 (very good), RAPTOR over +3 (better than any Mav except Luka), win shares/48 are 40% above average. The numbers look good on both sides of the floor. He’s not a star, but he maximizes his role and has done a great job. Johnson, on the other hand, has been so bad it’s terrifying to watch (and the stats are even worse). That trade has been a wipeout, at least until we can see what the Mavs turn Johnson’s expiring contract into.

(02-19-2021, 08:22 PM)cow Wrote: Jones does dumb shit like the Elliot and Cooper contracts, but gives you glimpses of hope by not giving into Dak's contract demands.  He is terrible and all but at least he can get any free agent his heart desires.  Cuban can't even get in the conversation.  And while Cuban let's Donnie do whatever he wants, he probably should have fired Donnie a long time ago. 

*shrug*

(02-21-2021, 03:20 AM)Dundalis Wrote: To be fair though, if he had listened to Donnie, we would have Giannis, while the Luka acquisition probably only happens with Donnie around also. Donnie isn't perfect and maybe we could do with someone else as the GM, but I do think he adds plenty of value when it comes to player acquisition with his time in the game and his international connections. He's also always been very good at getting value in trades.

(02-20-2021, 12:33 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: In the offseason, I thought throwing some spare part expirings for Griffin or Love would have been okay as I have thought and still do that the 4 spot is the biggest issue when you have a guy like KP. You need the Randle / (young) Griffin body type and athleticism to cover for KPs lack of strength and twitch (to copy a Sturm football term).  I’m glad that didn’t happen as those guys look completely washed.  But, I think I’m also ready to get off the KP train.  I don’t think he’s used right, and I don’t think he even gets what he is and what his strengths and weaknesses are.  2021 FA looks bleak, the cap space is fool’s gold, we have expirings and some assets, so I think it’s time to shake this roster up. Orlando is going nowhere except backwards. Atlanta desperately wants in the playoffs, and they are sinking fast. I tried some 3 way trades but had to send Capela to Orlando....so I threw in the hapless TWolves and found an absolutely bonkers 4 team fantasy trade...of course for fun and yucks, and here is the result:  

MIN receives
Tony Snell ($12.1 expiring)
Kris Dunn
Maybe a 2nd for their help.

ORL receives
Rajon Rondo
James Johnson ($15.7 expiring)
Tim Hardaway, Jr. ($18.9 expiring)
Cam Reddish
2021 ATL 1st
2022 ATL 1st (best of the 2 as they have OKC’s)
2025 DAL 1st

ATL receives
Kristaps Porzingis
Aaron Gordon
Jalen Brunson
James Ennis III

DAL receives
Nikola Vucevic
John Collins
Danilo Gallinari
Ricky Rubio

Pick Rationale:
ATL is sending 3 1sts, Reddish, and a ton of expiring money for Vuc and Gordon.
DAL is providing one of the 1sts, Brunson, KP, and the expiring JJ and THJ for Collins, Gallinari, and Vuc, which seems reasonable to me.
ORL can start over...again.
MIN gets a little salary relief for next year. They really need their guys back to see what on earth they actually have there.

For ATL, the Capela factor really could offset KPs liabilities better than what we have. Gordon gives them a nice Collins replacement, and you can easily play those 3 together or mix and match. Brunson is a perfect Young back up.  KP will still have a Euro buddy in Bogdan.  Young, Hunter, Gordon, KP, Capela, Bogdan, Huerter, and Jalen is pretty salty.

For Dal, Vuc and Collins should be phenomenal at the 4 and 5 offensively and with rebounding. And we get a true back up PG who is a solid defender. Gallo is the 6th man replacing THJ. 

Luka / Rubio
JRich / Burke / Green
DFS / Gallinari / Iwundu / Green
Collins / Kleber / Gallinari
Vuc / WCS / Powell / Boban

Fun stuff.  Never had the courage to post this kind of thing, so please be gentle in you bashing!

(02-21-2021, 06:24 AM)cow Wrote: Donnie and the MBT are good with international scouting, do pretty good with trades and pretty good with undrafted free agents.  They are abysmal when it comes to the draft and signing free agents.  They've also had a history of trading for players that their head coach has had little use for.  

Drafting Luka (Brunson too) was great.  Even if KP doesn't work out, that was a great trade.  The problem is that when you only draft well once a decade, can't attract free agents and spent all of your assets on Luka/KP, it's going to be really hard to field a contending team around them.   And if KP doesn't work out, their shortcutting of the rebuild process  is going to leave them even more hamstrung.

(02-21-2021, 12:58 PM)Hypermav Wrote: I like the largess of the trade.

For me, I would be happy with Vucevic and Gordon for Zinger, Brunson and Johnson.  I think Isaac paired with Porzingis helps make KP more effective and Brunson may be the PG Orlando has been looking for.  I assume Orlando has a high opinion of KP.  They would have an injury prone front court as a con.

Mavs get better and finally have that power forward.  May need a JRich revival or find that second creator if Brunson was to be that guy.  Still, the Mavs may not have been able to keep Brunson as he continues to improve.  I hate to lose Zinger but 2 near all stars is better for Luka.

Vucevic
Gordon
DFS
JRich
Luka

Hardaway
WCS
Kleber
Burke
Green

We keep our rookies and still have FRP's to use to upgrade JRich if needed.

(02-21-2021, 03:12 AM)Dundalis Wrote: This big man obsession is baffling. Mavs fans have literally had a big man fetish for 20 years now. At the start it was valid because it was still very much a big man driven league and we had suffered with incompetent big man play for a long time, and needed that elite defensive big to pair with Dirk.

Now not so valid. The only situation that makes sense acquiring any starting quality big man who can't defend on the perimeter or the PnR to a high level is if KP is traded. I've been very much in for trading KP since last season when most were saying he was an untradeable asset like Luka.

It would be a completely different story if one of two things were true, 1 being KP had at any point in his career delivered elite level play consistently over multiple seasons. Or 2 he was not injury prone in any way. Given neither are true, his value might never be higher than now where at 25 he still has perceived upside. You consider every avenue possible to surround Luka with the best talent, and KP can absolutely be the centre piece of a blockbuster trade. Not for a big though. You try and get a player like Bradley Beal if you are trading KP, and worry about who you stick at C later.

A guy like Andre Drummond would improve this team about as much DeAndre Jordan did. Basically not at all, possibly even negative impact.

(02-21-2021, 02:10 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: DeAndre Jordan was washed up when he got the Dallas and outside of his prime. Drummond is a better player than DAJ ever was so that is a bad comparison.