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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 10-02-2020 So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo. His stock is lower for many reasons and the Pacers are going to have to move him. I think this is your shot to get a third star this off-season. So with that I think I'd be willing to give up any combination of assets not names Luka or KP to offer Indy the best deal you can offer. That could include some guys we love bur role guys can be replaced. To be a real contender you probably need that third star in place. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Reunion Mav Old - 10-02-2020 I am not hopeful that we can get Oladipo just because we decided Indiana can't keep him. However, he would be a tremendous third, (or maybe 2nd) star. I would be all over having Mr. Victor Oladipo to root for. Luka would make him look awesome. He probably would be quite amenable to playing with Luka and KP. Make it work if we can. Give up anything to win that contest to trade for him. There would be tremendous competition for him. But we need several alternate great plans because that basket of eggs could be very easily stolen. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 10-02-2020 There should be a lot of competition for Oladipo and Jrue Holiday. Both I think would be Mavs targets but also will get interest from teams like the Warriors who have that #2 pick to spend. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo. He TERRIFIES me. If you get peak Oladipo that is GREAT (but unlikely to me)....if you get current Oladipo then you have wasted a couple years of Luka (which is likely). RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Tyler - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 12:13 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: There should be a lot of competition for Oladipo and Jrue Holiday. Both I think would be Mavs targets but also will get interest from teams like the Warriors who have that #2 pick to spend Would you really trade the #2 pick for an injured guard who only played 23 games this season (including the playoffs), shot less than 40% in those games, and can walk away after only one year? I understand liking a pre-injury Oladipo who is under contract, but this is a different situation. I personally don't see that happening. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 12:58 PM)Tyler Wrote: Would you really trade the #2 pick for an injured guard who only played 23 games this season (including the playoffs), shot less than 40% in those games, and can walk away after only one year? If this is the missing piece to go all the way, the answer is easy - hell yeah. Especially in this draft. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 12:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo. Terrible post. You didn't even mention how well Oladipo sings, or how that could possibly impact the team. HE IS A REALLY GOOD SINGER KAMM LIKE PROFESSIONAL LEVEL KAMM RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 10-02-2020 Are we really that worried ab a quad injury? Btwn that recovery and Covid we didn't get to see a whole lot. I am hoping that lowered his stock enough to get Mavs to the negotiation table. I suspect some team will pay a lot for Oladipo. My position is that Mavs should offer everything they got. If you can get that 3rd star guard/wing you are in business. Role guys can be replaced. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 02:32 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Are we really that worried ab a quad injury? Btwn that recovery and Covid we didn't get to see a whole lot. I am hoping that lowered his stock enough to get Mavs to the negotiation table. I suspect some team will pay a lot for Oladipo. My position is that Mavs should offer everything they got. If you can get that 3rd star guard/wing you are in business. Role guys can be replaced. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 02:32 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Are we really that worried ab a quad injury? https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-one-knee-doctor-says-victor-oladipos-ruptured-quadriceps-tendon-is-worse-than-an-acl-tear/ Quote:When I initially saw the injury, I started thinking about the potential bad injuries that happen like a patellar dislocation, an ACL injury, a quadriceps or a patellar rupture, even a patellar fracture -- actually breaking the kneecap. And of all those things, unfortunately the quadriceps tendon rupture (which is what Oladipo suffered) is the injury I would least like an athlete to have. Quote:The hard part is even if you get full range of motion back, even if you get all the strength back, there is that unknown part of the equation. Professional athletes have to put incredible stress on that muscle and tendon, whereas a normal person who sustains this injury, they're just looking to restore continuity of the muscle and get as much of the motion and function back as they can. They want to walk normal. Things like that. Victor Oladipo is an incredibly explosive and dynamic athlete. That's one of the things that makes him so special. So he has loftier expectations, or a higher bar if you will, for his recovery. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 10-02-2020 Hmmmm, well I would have to defer to the team's judgment on that. I think teams overall are going to be lining up pretty good offers for 'ole Vic. I would still be most excited ab an Oladipo trade this summer. The upside is huge. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 12:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-02-2020, 08:33 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: So yall I am talking myself into going all in on Oladipo. I don't see how this is true at all. At best, not only have the Mavs found their 3rd star, but they found objectively one of the best pairings in the backcourt for Luka AND the team as a whole. Oladipo was elite as a playmaker in the PnR for the Pacers. Someone that can run the offense fine without Luka on the court. He was about league average at 3. He was an All NBA defensive guard that was capable of guarding anyone under 6'8. And he was athletic as all hell. If he returns to what he was, then the Mavs found the dude. At worst, Oladipo expires at the end of 2021 season . Mavs can cut him loose and chase another star in that loaded free agency class that they are already planning to do anyways. There will be plenty to choose from. Giannis. Kawhi, Lebron, PG, Beal, Jrue Holiday and a glut of quality role players. Even if the doomsday scenario is the most likely outcome, losing Oladipo doesn't change the fact that the Mavs have a top 5 NBA player and MVP candidate, and another top 20 player both under 26 to offer to potential FA's. Something that literally no one else can offer. Currently Dipo looked like a shell of himself coming back. He was still solid averaging 15ppg on some bad shooting with flashes of defensive potential. And while that can be a red flag to stay away, I see it as a perfect buy low opportunity. The fact he's forcing himself out lowers his price even more since other teams will be scared off with him potentially wanting to leave the moment he hits free agency. Given all these downsides and potential restrictions I can see Dipo being had for a cheap price. One that the Mavs can be competitive in. If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Oct 18?) + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 10-02-2020 (08-30-2020, 06:26 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: So Davis Bertans. This is a hot name. He is an offense guy for sure but even though I am all ab defense I am also about good asset management. This is a guy half the league wants bc you can never have too much shooting.Let´s get Janis Timma, too. Magic got his rights. Get them as a throw-in in the Gordon deal. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 04:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery. That is A LOT of assets to give up for a guy with such a devastating injury that once relied on elite athleticism to make it in the NBA. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 10-02-2020 (10-02-2020, 05:22 PM)Kammrath Wrote:Also doesn´t seem to be the most trust-worthy player to re-sign/extend next year. Could very well end up like Jimmy Butler.(10-02-2020, 04:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If they get him for a meager package of THJ+18+31+1 role player (Brunson, Wright, or Jackson), then it'd be highway robbery. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 10-02-2020 If you look at it like this and say Are we better with Oladipo or Hardaway Jr. + pick 18 and pick 31 I think we are at best a draw so I do not see the point in overpaying for him. Tim Hardaway Jr. has his faults but he is a team guy and is loved by his teammates. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - cjeter24 - 10-02-2020 (09-30-2020, 06:51 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I’ll stay out of the trade Brunson discussion (mostly) and just point out that the Mav’s seem/seemed very interested putting a ball handler next to Luka in the starting lineup. The Kemba thing was real. I believe, but can’t substantiate that they were interested in Beverly. And, I think they had Wright slotted as a starter. None of that is to discount Brunson. He’s pretty good at his role, but it appears it is a limited minutes role on a team with Luka, a starting ball handler and Curry. Yeah I think based on the rumored names, the guys we went after, etc they clearly wanted another playmaking guard. And based on the success of Burke (who was barely an nba player at signing) it was a great idea. I'd speculate one step further that I think they wanted a playmaking guard and a 3d guard effectively making it a 3 guard system. That's also Carlisles wet dream lol. But with Luka being so big and a combo forward like DFS, that lineup could wind up being phenomenal with the right signings. Luka is basically your other forward in that scenario despite whatever offensive position he plays. I feel like you are basically saying the same thing as my post here... But wasn't quite sure. Did anyone read the Athletic article about Buddy? Sounds like he may want out of Sacramento but it was locked behind a paywall and I'm poor lol. He's sort of a better shooting version of THJ so I wouldn't pay a crazy amount for him. But he's locked in on a declining contract and that really intrigues me. He's on a great value deal. And I can't help but wonder if he does even a bit better shooting with a good supporting cast around him. (10-02-2020, 07:35 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: If you look at it like this and say So for me... I'm interested in Dipo but... It's more of a fallback option at this point. If it's Dipo or no trade...I take Dipo. Otherwise I'd rather try to sign him next summer. The risk is much lower because we'll know his game level and health a bit more clearly. I still think Holiday gets moved. And that's my play all the way. It's not going to be cheap tho. I'd love an extend and trade. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 10-02-2020 I think Holiday would be PERFECT for the Mavs, but unfortunately, he'd be just as perfect for a ton of teams. Many of those teams are closer to getting over the hump than our Mavs, so he'd probably be worth more in trade to them. And, if I'm him, at his age, I think I'd probably prefer a number of teams over the Mavs, too. But, he would definitely make this team better. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - cow - 10-02-2020 2017-2018 just seems like an outlier for Oladipo and I doubt he'll ever get close to those offensive numbers again. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SamStetz - 10-02-2020 Not sure how popular of a take this will be, but I’d rather have OPJ than Oladipo. - He’s had some injuries but nothing as severe as Oladipo - He won’t cost as much to acquire in a trade - You don’t know whether Oladipo will be 2017-2018 version or 2019-2020 version and those are two very different players |