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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - ClutchDirk - 09-24-2020 https://media.giphy.com/media/mL40PfXA394KA/giphy.gif RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:13 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:08 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Grant is a player I would be willing to part with Maxi for if necessary, tbqh. I'd give him $19 mil/per if necessary. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember: JT is right. We have room before a hard cap becomes an issue. If there were somehow two deals with both involving a $5mm spread between incoming and outgoing, then we might get there. I didn't look it up, but from memory, I think we are about $10mm under. BTW, I'm enjoying JT the fantasy trader and purveyor of league-wide rumors. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd give him $19 mil/per if necessary Does anyone else feel this way? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd give him $19 mil/per if necessary I don't know how much Denver would be willing to pay him. I'm willing to beat it - and his other offers - up to that number. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'd give him $19 mil/per if necessary No...I think some desperate team will do it. Thankfully the Mavs don´t have the capspace. I think 4/60 is a reasonable contract for him. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Jason Terry - 09-24-2020 Thanks Dan. I’ll keep shooting the rock from deep If I’m denver there’s no way I’d let Grant go. Millsap might be the casualty RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Thanks Dan. I’ll keep shooting the rock from deep And if I'm Grant, I need to get paid if I'm going to leave the Nuggets. The Mavs will probably get to this point soon. The Nuggets are there, even though they're a piece or two away. Millsap is the one who is going to be overpaid by whoever. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Thanks Dan. I’ll keep shooting the rock from deep Sadly, this is the truth. I'm also not sure I'd want to be the team to back the money truck up to Grant, but I do like the player. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Thanks Dan. I’ll keep shooting the rock from deep https://media.giphy.com/media/Pn1gZzAY38kbm/giphy.gif RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Millsap might be the casualty Millsap and Plumlee are very likely goners if they keep Grant (though I don't know the market for them). If the cap doesn't increase then they are capped out with Grant even at $9M/per. It will be very interesting to see what they do with team building. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-24-2020, 10:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Millsap might be the casualty As long as they end up worse for the Mavs' sake, I'll be happy. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-24-2020 I'll go on record and say if there's some chance of getting Grant at the MLE, or near it, I'm in on that. I agree with others that he's going to get paid, though, and I'm not trying to pay him all star money. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'll go on record and say if there's some chance of getting Grant at the MLE, or near it, I'm in on that. $19 mil isn't all-star money. $15 mil per would be great. Zero question he'd be our third best player. Not hard with our current roster, but that fits the salary scale you'd want. Of course, there's always the inexpensive way - draft the next Grant. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Jason Terry - 09-24-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:43 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:We should’ve planted our Grant tree 6 years ago. He’d be just blooming by now(09-24-2020, 10:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'll go on record and say if there's some chance of getting Grant at the MLE, or near it, I'm in on that. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SkenfromLMF - 09-25-2020 (09-24-2020, 09:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:(09-24-2020, 09:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(09-24-2020, 09:30 PM)fifteenth Wrote: post 2011 plan powder was an abomination of a team building strategy Let's just get this right from this point forward - it was the Powell trade! (09-24-2020, 10:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Does @"DanSchwartzman" or anyone else remember: They are hard capped until the end of the 19-20 cycle but any Sign and Trade will have to be after that point. However, a S&T to acquire a player is one of the triggers to a hard cap. My recollection is that the Porzingas extension + Wright S&T were the triggers for the 19-20 HC. The problem with the hard cap is that it takes Dallas out of the primary market on players under contract when they have draft capital. Waiting until after the draft for the Hard Cap to lift means Dallas is looking at having to make a deal with nothing but the '25 pick as the primary sweetener. In my estimation Dallas can only make a significant money move if they have an arrangement with a team to do a deal IF a player they like is still on the board and they are willingly patient in consumating that deal AFTER the 2020 equivalent of July 1st. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 09-25-2020 (09-25-2020, 12:15 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: If I’m understanding you, and it is possible I’m missing what you are saying, I think you are conflating two separate problems. Yes, we are had capped. But, that doesn’t keep us from trading Wright + 18 for a player making $5 million more than Wright. The restriction we face is we just can’’t go over the apron. Under the apron, we are fine to trade as we wish. What keeps us from doing a S&T in the current season isn’t being hard-capped. It is the fact that no one is a free agent until after the current season is over (at that point we will no longer be hard capped). You are right that it is hard to imagine using a pick to trade for a free agent. Team A can’t say “draft so and so and I’ll get Joe Free Agent to do a S&T”. They don’t control Joe Free Agent and there would be a very real possibility of Team A getting stuck with a draftee they don’t want. Now, it is certainly possible Team B happens to covet someone Team A drafted and the market for their free agent is getting too rich. The two teams could certainly work something out using the drafted player (unsigned or you have to wait) as part of the package for the S&T player. The pick, if still unsigned, would count zero in the deal and so there would have to be other salary involved. BTW, using the BAE on Bobi was another trigger for the hard cap. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 09-25-2020 (09-25-2020, 01:19 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: BTW, using the BAE on Bobi was another trigger for the hard cap. Looking back at the last offseason. Why did they even do it? They still had some capspace and basically transfered the remaining cap into a TPE. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-25-2020 (09-24-2020, 10:39 PM)Kammrath Wrote: If the cap doesn't increase then they are capped out with Grant even at $9M/per. Denver has 107 mil of committed salary for next season. We substract the rookie and it leaves some 23 mil to resign Grant, Milsap, Plumlee and Craig before tax line. If Grant commands something around 15 mil, Milsap is probably gone while they can likely resign Plumlee and Craig (if they even want to). And btw, I don't think anyone will offer 20 per for Grant. Why? A while ago we were discussing signing him for MLE and all of a sudden he is worth 20 per? I think even 15 per is high for him. Unfortunately I didn't watch the game, but his stats are far from being 20 per worthy. What did he do to create such hype? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-25-2020 (09-25-2020, 03:59 AM)omahen Wrote: What did he do to create such hype? A small sample size combined with fans desperate to improve the DAL starting lineup. |