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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 @"Kammrath" Your gif game is even better than your stats game. I need to get on your level. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 03:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think the Curry and Boban deals were great. Wright was unfortunate, but I understand what they were trying to do. As I said, I wasn't passing judgement what went well and what didn't. I just listed what they executed and what they tried but didn't. Warren - it was said that Mavs were also negotiating but Phoenix chose Indy offer. Phoenix wanted cap space and Indy provided, Mavs were offering salary back (I think Lee) RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 I'm currently listening to Duncan and Hollinger drool over the prospect of Derrick Jones Jr in Dallas. Thoughts? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Jason Terry - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 03:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:I guess i just don’t think KP will be asked to do much creating last 5 min. I want the ball in Luka’s hands the whole time. KP just being able to space the floor and shoot 3s is enough for me. What he contributes defensively is Chandler-like and where his focus should be last 5 min(09-22-2020, 03:18 PM)omahen Wrote:(09-22-2020, 02:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: IF the Mavs don't think any available targets are WORTH the MLE, then I'd be ok with them not using it. I'd much prefer that right now over a bunch of dumb spending. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm currently listening to Duncan and Hollinger drool over the prospect of Derrick Jones Jr in Dallas. He is younger and more athletic version of last season DFS. Top defender (better than DFS) without the outside shot. Still young though. Too small/weak to guard Kawhis and LeBrons of the world. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Your gif game is even better than your stats game. I need to get on your level. Ha, thanks. But back to THJ. When I was expressing my angst about him earlier, I forgot to mention the playoffs. Note, it is DANGEROUS to draw many conclusions from a 6 game sample (and that is what the playoffs were for the Mavs), but THJ's shooting dropped 4% from three to 35% and his on/off just plummeted. It is the same thing that happened in 18-19 in his first stint with the Mavs. It feels like THJ has to shoot like 40% from three to break even as a player. It terrifies me to bet on that. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:06 PM)omahen Wrote:(09-22-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm currently listening to Duncan and Hollinger drool over the prospect of Derrick Jones Jr in Dallas. Interesting. They're saying he doesn't shoot well enough, but that in Dallas he could be effectively used as the roll man, like Powell. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: but that in Dallas he could be effectively used as the roll man, like Powell. Well, I have a hard time seeing that. I mean, he is extremely athletic (winner of dunking contest is one of his accolades), but he is still just 6-6 and I think size matters for rim rolling guys. Small off ball fouls that refs often don't see or whistle might take away his jump in traffic. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Derrick Jones Jr in Dallas I like him as a project but he better be CHEAP. He is getting played off the floor in the playoffs and was the worst DRating on MIA this season of the regulars. He was -3.5 defensively. AND he cannot shoot the three. I think he has potential, but he does not fix anything in the short term. I would rather have Frank. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 03:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't even remember anything about Warren - can you catch me up? PHX essentially gave Warren up for relatively nothing. They traded him to Indiana for the 32nd pick in the draft and cash considerations. That was it. Many were wondering why the Mavs didn't take a flyer on a big scoring wing with some defensive qualities, even if he wasn't the best locker room presence in PHX and didn't have a 3pt shot. Price was super low. But I feel what get's lost in translation is that the Mavs would've had to have beaten the IND deal. While it wouldn't have been difficult, the Mavs had spent a lot of their trade capital on KP. They had the 37th pick in the draft, 5 spots lower than IND. They would've had to have sent either a future pick (something we're quite light on), or a young player on the roster. Both routes would've have been a hard committal to Warren (with his 4 year 47 mil contract) and would have ruined their FA plans. Hindsight is 20/20. If the Mavs had known that Boston would let go of Al Horford and magically become suitors in the Kemba race, and that Green would've strung us along, they probably would've made the trade happen. But of course the Mavs didn't know that. They couldn't have. And they felt going in that Kemba was a good chance and didn't want to give it up for TJ Warren. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:05 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: I guess i just don’t think KP will be asked to do much creating last 5 min. I want the ball in Luka’s hands the whole time. Yeah, I want that, too, but as we've seen, a good team can figure out how to get the ball out of Luka's hands when they have to. Doesn't matter how good Luka and Harden are, if nobody else on the team is competent to drive the boat when they need to. This whole conversation is based on my feeling that multiple playmakers down the stretch against a great defense is becoming necessary. All of the remaining playoff teams have that. It's ok if you disagree, but please understand that it's not coming from a place of me being unhappy with what they're doing that is already successful. I am not dogging KP, for example. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: They traded him to Indiana for the 32nd pick in the draft Nope, they actually added the 32 pick. They paid to Indy to take him RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:12 PM)omahen Wrote:(09-22-2020, 04:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: They traded him to Indiana for the 32nd pick in the draft Holy shit I just looked that up and its true. That trade was even worse then I remembered. Just wooooooooooooooow. However, my main point still stands as to why the Mavs didn't trade for him. His 11m salary would've stopped the Kemba train, and the Mavs didn't want to close that door. His salary also extends beyond 2021 which would've been another 10 mil the Mavs would have to shed for the Giannis dream. Obviously if the Mavs knew Powell would tear his achillies, I'm pretty sure they'd swap his salary with Warren happily. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: That trade was even worse then I remembered. Just wooooooooooooooow. And the only problem I have is - if you skip a deal like that, than failing to actually execute Kemba (which is why they were actually saving the cap space), is a double disaster. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:17 PM)omahen Wrote:(09-22-2020, 04:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: That trade was even worse then I remembered. Just wooooooooooooooow. Which is true. I do think Kemba to Dallas was a done deal considering all the posturing by Kemba and the pieces written by the Hornets beat guy. It was only until Boston showed up in the 12th hour and offered Kemba a similar level of competitiveness with a more established team did that plan die. But shit happens. I never would've thought Boston would've given up on Al Horford so easily. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:19 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It was only until Boston showed up in the 12th hour and offered Kemba a similar level of competitiveness with a more established team did that plan die. But shit happens. I never would've thought Boston would've given up on Al Horford so easily. Which is yet another proof how plan powder is just not working for most of the time. Boston didn't have cap space and no one thought they would be a player. Did Mavs really had no other way to add Kemba (like dumping Lee with picks for nothing) after they signed Warren. I don't remember the numbers anymore, but Lee had a similar contract as Warren. Boston actually didn't even need to have the cap space, because they executed the SnT. This Warren deal is a good example why I don't think plan have it both ways is realistic. This kind of opportunity appears from nowhere and you have to act to take it. Just like KP trade appeared. You either say yes or no. If you say no, your strategy is plan powder. But than you have to deliver the plan powder result! It can't be - oh, someone else jumped in and ruined my plan... RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 If another deal remotely close to the KP deal pops up, you kiss 2021 room goodbye and pull the trigger. I don't think anyone sane would argue against that. I guess it's just a matter of where we all draw that defining line. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - omahen - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I guess it's just a matter of where we all draw that defining line. Since you dropped a similar life wisdom line to me just a couple of minutes ago: the grey zone in life is usually not a line. It is an area RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 09-22-2020 (09-22-2020, 04:34 PM)omahen Wrote:(09-22-2020, 04:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I guess it's just a matter of where we all draw that defining line. Right, right. But what I'm saying is that there's a point at which the potential value of a player added is not worth totally giving up future flexibility, and I think that point is different for every one of us. That's the variable. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 09-22-2020 Just a random note: This thread started 23 days ago and has 1000 comments (51 pages worth). Holy cow. |