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RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Omega_Supreme - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Some of you really need to watch the playoffs this year. There's a lot of basketball knowledge in this community, but McGee was a non-factor in the playoffs from start to finish, not even seeing the court really in the last two rounds. Howard was actually surprisingly effective against Jokic, but imo this was largely due to Mike Malone's lack of understanding of how to exploit that matchup. He played right into LA's hands. Howard, like McGee, was a non-factor in the finals. Wesley Matthews averaged 6 points a game in the series against the Heat for the Bucks Marc Gasol lost most of his minutes down the stretch to Ibaka. Marc Gasol aeraged 6 points a game and had a game where he did not score in the series against Boston. Yes the Lakers did good by signing Schroeder but I am not so sure if he is an upgrade over "Playoff Rondo". That playoff point guard experience you get with Rondo is going to be missed. I guess it will remain to be seen but I do not think they got better. I think their perimeter defense got worse and I think their shooting got worse. (11-22-2020, 08:21 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: TLDR: I remain skeptical that Vogel can coach a team to a championship that relies on their offense to win games which I think LAL will now. But never bet against Lebron. Exactly I think they got extremely worse defensively specifically Perimeter defense and Front Court Defense. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - KillerLeft - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:19 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Harrell is such a massive downgrade for who they are. They won by defense. Harrell was an absolute liability against everyone in the playoffs. Downgrade from what? He's a guy who won't be on the floor during the last 5 minutes of playoff games, replacing other guys who will ALSO not be on the floor during the last 5 minutes of playoff games...and those guys weren't contributing much (least of all DEFENSE) during the first 43 minutes of those games, either. Acting like McGee is a loss for LA would be like getting pissed if the Mavs weren't able to bring WCS back, only an OLD version. He's a body they had to live with and throw minutes at because they couldn't free up money right away for a better player. You guys can argue with me if you want, but I've followed that team, I know what I'm talking about. At least with WCS there's a CHANCE he figures some things out and turns a corner. It's not likely, but it's possible. That ship sailed for McGee years ago. Howard was a little better, but not at all anything worth getting into a twist about. Just look at the market for Howard vs. the market for Gasol. It's obvious. You think Philly didn't try Gasol first? They took what they could get, just like the Lakers did with Howard last year. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - omahen - 11-22-2020 https://www.theringer.com/2020/11/21/21588336/los-angeles-lakers-free-agency-montrezl-harrell-wesley-matthews RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - KillerLeft - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:24 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Yes the Lakers did good by signing Schroeder but I am not so sure if he is an upgrade over "Playoff Rondo". That playoff point guard experience you get with Rondo is going to be missed. The shooting argument is a valid one, imo. They probably do have less shooting. And yes, Rondo KILLED IT for them in the playoffs. I was in disbelief, but there he was, out of nowhere, playing his balls off. Are you prepared to guarantee he does that again? I'm not. The narrative about him here that he "has been fine since getting away from Carlisle" is not accurate, imo. It has been a mixed bag for him since leaving, and I'm telling you, for two years, up until these past playoffs, he has spared everyone in LA to death. Public enemy #1. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - cjeter24 - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:21 PM)omahen Wrote:(11-22-2020, 08:19 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Harrell was an absolute liability against everyone in the playoffs. Maybe offensively... But defensively he's what he always has been. We finally got to see him in the playoffs on a good team with a big role and he was completely exposed. The Mavs with all there great rim attackers (Sarcasm) were able to just attack the basket all series long. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - KillerLeft - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:32 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Maybe offensively... But defensively he's what he always has been. We finally got to see him in the playoffs on a good team with a big role and he was completely exposed. I'm not here to ride or die with Harrell. I'm saying that the narrative that McGee or Howard gave them ANYTHING of crucial, can't-live-without value last year is born mostly of prior name recognition and a lack of experience watching them play. I'm saying that there were likely 20 available players who would've been significant improvements over them. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - cjeter24 - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(11-22-2020, 08:19 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Harrell is such a massive downgrade for who they are. They won by defense. Harrell was an absolute liability against everyone in the playoffs. Howard. For all of his issues he's still a defender and rim protector. Harrell is a sieve. They'll probably win more games during the regular season. But I strongly feel like they are going to get exposed and attacked in the playoffs. Mcgee is trash. They won't miss him. Although I'm not convinced Gasol will have much left. This really comes down for me about them casting off most of their defenders on the perimeter and adding Harrell. I could be wrong tho about him. AD and Lebron may cover up the warts. I remain skeptical tho. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Jym - 11-22-2020 The Lakers will go as Lebron goes I swear he was moving better this past season than he was a few years ago. Absolutely crazy. If he's the same guy this coming season I think they have to be the favs again. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Jason Terry - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:40 PM)Jym Wrote: The Lakers will go as Lebron goesFather time has a way of sneaking up on high mileage players. Got to make LeBeijing earn it RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - KillerLeft - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Howard. For all of his issues he's still a defender and rim protector. Harrell is a sieve. They'll probably win more games during the regular season. But I strongly feel like they are going to get exposed and attacked in the playoffs. Understood, but I just don't see how you can say they will miss a player in the playoffs who was only a factor in ONE of the playoff series from last year. And I'd argue that if Denver had a good coach, he wouldn't have been a factor in THAT one. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - BolsDamols - 11-22-2020 just waiting for mavsluvr's "A Few Thoughts on Mavs Draft and Free Agency".. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Tyler - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 07:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: How did I miss that the Bucks originally offered Connaughton a contract that does not exist under NBA rules. I don´t think the Mavs, Heat or Raptors could have asked for more. Not many ATGs would still sign a max extension after their front office produced such a mess while on the clock. Interesting. I missed that, too. It definitely leads me to believe they were the ones responsible for sabotaging their own Bogi deal as well. Giannis may indeed stay, but the Bucks are doing everything they can to make him consider his options. https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/11/21/bucks-paying-pat-connaughton-more-after-contract-issue/ Regarding all this Lakers talk: In the immortal words of Nick Van Exel -- F 'em. Let's get the season started and let the Lakers hope they miss playoff Luka before the WCF. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - StepBackJay - 11-22-2020 I think Mavs have a chance to crack the top 4 and/or win a first round series. Alt might depend on the health of KP or general health of the Mavs (like most teams). Warriors lost Klay and Houston is a bit of a mess. Should be interesting. I think the Mavs should hit the ground running considering they have a lot of continuity from last year. I don't think all rides on J Rich. I think similar to Curry the odds are most nights one of those two will score points. The biggest factor of course is Luka and his health. He got banged up last year, hopefully his new enforcers try to protect him when he gets knocked on his ass. I also think the refs are finally going to give him the star treatment he deserves. If Luka is healthy for the most part then this is a playoff team. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Jason Terry - 11-22-2020 Wow, so the nuggets never got Blake Griffin? No way they messed up that bad. I thought the Grant and Plumlee salaries matched perfect RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 07:53 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote:(11-21-2020, 02:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(11-21-2020, 02:28 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: You guys are all overblowing their culture issue. I get that we're supposed to hate the Lakers but 90% of this board thought they had no shot last year because of their lack of depth. Now they get legit depth and people think they got worse. (11-22-2020, 08:04 PM)Branduil Wrote: I don't see the fit with Harrell and AD together. There isn't. Schroeder and Harrell allow them to not run Lebron and AD into the ground in a season where there are a lot of games packed into fewer days. (11-22-2020, 09:21 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: Wow, so the nuggets never got Blake Griffin? No way they messed up that bad. I thought the Grant and Plumlee salaries matched perfect why the heck would they want Blake Griffin? This aint a video game. Jamychal Green isnt that big a downgrade from Jerami Grant. Grant's on/off numbers were absolutely terrible last year. Denver was a lot better when he was on the bench. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - Jason Terry - 11-22-2020 They had a deep front court and lost 2/5. Now it’s brittle(porter) and old(millsap). Not complaining just surprised RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-22-2020 They had Grant and Milsap at the 4. Now they have Milsap and Green + MPJ and Bol Bol will get more minutes there. Not ideal but I dont think it's a big loss. They need Gary Harris to be better and/or Will Barton to stay healthy. edit: I forgot about Plumlee. I dont even know if he's any good TBH. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - BolsDamols - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 09:33 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: They had Grant and Milsap at the 4.I totally forgot they still had Will The Thrill, known Mavs Killer Barton RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-22-2020 Actually the guy I'm more worried about if I'm the Nuggets is Monte Morris. He is the BEST backup PG in the NBA imo. (He actually is what Mavs fans pretend Brunson is) He is on the last year of his deal I think and is gonna want to get paid. Nuggets can't afford him. They signed that guy Campazzo to play backup point. I wonder if they ride it out with Morris and let him walk for nothing or try and trade him before then. RE: DAL OFFSEASON: Trade & FA | Mavs "mostly done...but you never know." - cjeter24 - 11-22-2020 (11-22-2020, 08:40 PM)Jym Wrote: The Lakers will go as Lebron goes Oh yeah. Until you take the champ down they are almost always the faves IMO. And the fact that nobody has made a clear jump up... Even more so. I'm not even saying they won't repeat. But I do think they are more vulnerable then they were at the beginning of FA. Curious to see the trades before the trade deadline because I do think it's wide open between any one of like half a dozen teams or so (11-22-2020, 08:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(11-22-2020, 08:39 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Howard. For all of his issues he's still a defender and rim protector. Harrell is a sieve. They'll probably win more games during the regular season. But I strongly feel like they are going to get exposed and attacked in the playoffs. Stuff like that can really matter in series tho is all I'm saying. And its really not about Howard but the stuff he did and the stuff the replacements don't do. |