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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:19 PM)Mapka Wrote: And the MBT would look elsewhere, if this is the price.
And there it is.
Most of the people who want the guy think he'd be cheap. I do not anticipate that being the case.
For the record, IF he's cheap, you absolutely do it.
In the end, I just don't see a fit between these two teams, even if Dallas gives up every asset available. Just my take.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:16 PM)loki Wrote:Well we still have Jackson+Boban. That would not be a problem.(11-13-2020, 07:14 PM)omahen Wrote:Salary doesn't match anyway. Where's Keith Van Horn when you need him?(11-13-2020, 07:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Dipo. Wright and 31? Done.
Just say you don't want the guy
Also just make your trades with THJ/OPJ, cause neither of them will opt out. What they going to do? Sign for the MLE somewhere. Please. They´ll both opt in, if the Mavs/Bulls threatened to trade them to Greenland.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Scott41theMavs - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:24 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote:(11-13-2020, 07:16 PM)loki Wrote:Well we still have Jackson+Boban. That would not be a problem.(11-13-2020, 07:14 PM)omahen Wrote:Salary doesn't match anyway. Where's Keith Van Horn when you need him?(11-13-2020, 07:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Dipo. Wright and 31? Done.
Just say you don't want the guy
Also just make your trades with THJ/OPJ, cause neither of them will opt out. What they going to do? Sign for the MLE somewhere. Please. They´ll both opt in, if the Mavs/Bulls threatened to trade them to Greenland.
I'm thinking that the provisions on options do not allow deals to be done until the options expire. So the deal would not be legal on draft day, nor until the close of business on Thursday (the day after the draft being the normal deadline). Not saying that that rules out a day-after-draft trade based on your argument, but it's still iffy from where I'm sitting.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:28 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'm thinking that the provisions on options do not allow deals to be done until the options expire.
I think the player can take his option before the deadline.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - SweetFidelia - 11-13-2020
Okay. '17-'18 Victor Oladipo was a bad, bad man and nearly took down the eventual Eastern Conference Champ Cavs in the playoffs all by himself. Tim Hardaway, Jr. could not have done that even if the league required Lebron to play with his legs duct taped together.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - StepBackJay - 11-13-2020
On Dipo, he is severely underrated on these boards. He is gettable I think for 18 bc teams aren't going to offer the Pacers a better deal than that. They can want players all day long but it doesn't mean they are going to get them. Dipo is expiring which lowers his value. Mavs will take a chance. I still think this is one of the better options out there if THJ is legally able to be traded. He is not going to remove any of his leverage on his own so what really matters is what the league and player's union decides. If the deadline if before the draft then I think 18+THJ is a really solid offer to the Pacers.
(11-13-2020, 07:31 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: Okay. '17-'18 Victor Oladipo was a bad, bad man and nearly took down the eventual Eastern Conference Champ Cavs in the playoffs all by himself. Tim Hardaway, Jr. could not have done that even if the league required Lebron to play with his legs duct taped together.
This. And I am generally pro-THJ in that I don't think we need to give him away or anything.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:31 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: Okay. '17-'18 Victor Oladipo was a bad, bad man and nearly took down the eventual Eastern Conference Champ Cavs in the playoffs all by himself. Tim Hardaway, Jr. could not have done that even if the league required Lebron to play with his legs duct taped together.
I bet a Pterodactyl would make an insanely interesting pet, provided you had a big enough cage. Oh, wait - they're extinct? Yeah, so is '17-'18 Oladipo.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
Someone here likes Bonga a lot, so here is an idea for you. WCS (if he opts in, of course)-Bonga straight up.
https://theathletic.com/2195618/2020/11/13/washington-wizards-nba-free-agency-centers/
I honestly think WCS will not be more than third string center in Dallas behind KP and Powell, but that he could be even a starting center for a team that is looking for cheap option at the position (Houston, Boston, Washington). Denver and probably more will be most likely looking for cheap back ups. So, if someone is willing to part with an asset for him, I would gladly accept and sign someone like Hartenstein as my third string center.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Scott41theMavs - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:32 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: On Dipo, he is severely underrated on these boards. He is gettable I think for 18 bc teams aren't going to offer the Pacers a better deal than that. They can want players all day long but it doesn't mean they are going to get them. Dipo is expiring which lowers his value. Mavs will take a chance. I still think this is one of the better options out there if THJ is legally able to be traded. He is not going to remove any of his leverage on his own so what really matters is what the league and player's union decides. If the deadline if before the draft then I think 18+THJ is a really solid offer to the Pacers.
That's way too much to give for him. Look at his play the last two years when healthy, the off-court crap, etc. He's attractive based on the opportunity for double big-contract expiration, so no THJ. The chances of him being here in 2021 (if he's good, he'll go elsewhere; if not, we won't keep him) are direly slim, so it's too much to give a cheap contract guy (18) who has a small but by no means non-existent possibility of being better than post-injury Dipo.
I can stomach 18 + Wright/Jackson for him, or 31 + THJ for him. 18 + THJ would dynamically piss me off.
(11-13-2020, 07:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:(11-13-2020, 07:31 PM)SweetFidelia Wrote: Okay. '17-'18 Victor Oladipo was a bad, bad man and nearly took down the eventual Eastern Conference Champ Cavs in the playoffs all by himself. Tim Hardaway, Jr. could not have done that even if the league required Lebron to play with his legs duct taped together.
I bet a Pterodactyl would make an insanely interesting pet, provided you had a big enough cage. Oh, wait - they're extinct? Yeah, so is '17-'18 Oladipo.
No, you din't!!!
Omahen, please buy a calendar. Season starts on 22 December. Neither KP nor DP is going to be in starting condition. I get that you deplore WCS, but whoever the so-called third-string center is will be starting on opening day. Unless the fourth-string center is (Bobi).
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, so is '17-'18 Oladipo.
Which you assume, but don't know for sure
Theoretically, if the price is THJ+#18, I think it is extremely small risk from our side. We could gain a lot from Dipo in his contract year (even his post injury version is a better defender than THJ) and keep our flexibility. If he doesn't work out - well, we would not be contenders with THJ either.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:43 PM)omahen Wrote:(11-13-2020, 07:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, so is '17-'18 Oladipo.
Which you assume, but don't know for sure
That's all true, to a point. I would submit that the downside of such a deal could potentially be not making the playoffs, and I'm not ok with that.
It is possible that Oladipo regains the form of that one, great year. But, it's not like he hasn't played since the injury. You're correct that I don't KNOW it won't happen, but I think you're underselling the probability that it won't happen. Just my opinion. They vary.
I, personally, would pass.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:39 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Neither KP nor DP is going to be in starting condition.
Neither of them plus WCS were available in playoffs. Maxi and Bobi covered the hole just fine. Add Hartenstein to the mix and I am sure we can survive just fine. Point with Hartenstein - I see him more likely to brake through and drastically increase his value than WCS.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-13-2020
On WCS, I think the answer is in between @"omahen" and @"Scott41theMavs".
I think Omahen is closer on his evaluation of the guy's role here going into the season, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he won't have a chance to improve that. I also don't think he's got a better opportunity waiting for him anywhere (at least on a good team).
I think WCS's situation in Dallas this year is hard to predict. Could break either way, imo.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mapka - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:43 PM)omahen Wrote:(11-13-2020, 07:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, so is '17-'18 Oladipo.
Which you assume, but don't know for sure
So someone found some 17'-18' Oladipo DNA in a piece of Ember and is cloning him?
Unrelated: brb checking if Jurassic Park III is still on prime.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think WCS's situation in Dallas this year is hard to predict. Could break either way, imo.
For me it is not so much about WCS, but I would really like to give a chance to Hartenstein. He was totally overlooked in Houston but showed huge potential in G-league and even those couple of games in Houston he got a chance to play serious minutes.
(11-13-2020, 07:51 PM)Mapka Wrote: So someone found some 17'-18' Oladipo DNA in a piece of Ember and is cloning him?
I really don't understand why you keep bringing the 2017-2018 season up. THJ+#18 is not a price for that version of Dipo. It is a price for 2020 DIPO. If he comes back to 2018-2019 Dipo, it would be a huge upgrade over THJ.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-13-2020
https://twitter.com/cruzfe13/status/1327388928324853765
https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/1327367398681415685
https://twitter.com/KnickSchool/status/1327377347851464704
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - StepBackJay - 11-13-2020
I think for sure CP3 to the Suns is happening but no #10 bc that's just stupid. OKC will get Rubio + Oubre that they can flip again and probably the Suns 2021 1st rounder.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mapka - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 07:56 PM)omahen Wrote:(11-13-2020, 07:51 PM)Mapka Wrote: So someone found some 17'-18' Oladipo DNA in a piece of Ember and is cloning him?
I really don't understand why you keep bringing the 2017-2018 season up. THJ+#18 is not a price for that version of Dipo. It is a price for 2020 DIPO. If he comes back to 2018-2019 Dipo, it would be a huge upgrade over THJ.
I don't think I could identify anything than pre-Indy, pre-injury and post-injury.
Was just stuck on the Pterodactyl thing.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - KillerLeft - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 08:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think for sure CP3 to the Suns is happening but no #10 bc that's just stupid. OKC will get Rubio + Oubre that they can flip again and probably the Suns 2021 1st rounder.
I think you've got this one right, my guy.
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-13-2020
(11-13-2020, 08:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I think for sure CP3 to the Suns is happening but no #10 bc that's just stupid. OKC will get Rubio + Oubre that they can flip again and probably the Suns 2021 1st rounder.
I think that is a great deal for OKC. Oubre is another non lottery first rounder and Rubio is also not a negative contract. Or they can keep him and trade Schroeder for another first rounder. I mean, who can offer more? Philly with Horford or Harris going to OKC? Milwaukee with Bledsoe and DiVinzenzo?