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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-11-2020 https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1326676377588805632 RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - aguiar95 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:18 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: RE the big CP3 rumor: Maybe a Harrell S&T ? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-11-2020 Phoenix gets nothing from us beyond Wright+Jackson for Oubre. Are you kidding me. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-11-2020 https://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/russ-wants-out.308329/ RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:13 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: Shams reporting Westbrook wants out of Houston. It's real now boys!So now we are testing how broke that Houston owner really is. Regarding the rumours and that they are not trading their superstars for 0.10c on the dollar. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cow - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:02 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: One reason the Mavs may like Oubre (Fish has reported Mavs liked him in Washington) is that he's shown the last few years that he's a pretty decent wing in the PNR being around the 70th percentile. That's not elite by any means. But for a 24 year old wing that was pretty raw coming out? I think that's pretty good with plenty of room to improve. He definitely has good handles for a wing. For 31, sure. 18 and DFS are a no-go, not for a 1-year rental. I expected a bigger leap from him and that's never materialized. maybe he's never been in the right situation. If he's bound and determined to be a free agent and we still like him, chase him next year. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Hypermav - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:25 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: superstarsCuban would disagree with the plural there. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-11-2020 There's no way we're stupid enough to trade DFS and #18 for Oubre straight up. I hope. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Scott41theMavs - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:23 PM)aguiar95 Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:18 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: RE the big CP3 rumor: How about no? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cjeter24 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:18 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: RE the big CP3 rumor: The thing is in order to get Rubio you almost have to trade Beverley outgoing. I think you could make the cap work with Macgruder and Green and 1 or 2 of those young guys. But I'd think Clips would prefer to trade Beverley. If Rubio is replacing him and Lemon Pepper Lou is dominating the ball off the bench... Not much use for Bev anymore. And there is a 0% chance Beverley is going to wind up on OKC. They absolutely hate him there. Public enemy #1. Fans would riot. Not sure why DFS would even be singled out (which makes me think that part is BS). There are scenarios where you need DFS for salary matching deals AND keeping THJ if you assume nobody is taking Powell and Wright off our hands. But that's with multiple players and wouldn't be worth mentioning just DFS. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-11-2020 https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1326683931341565952 RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mavs2019 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:32 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: There's no way we're stupid enough to trade DFS and #18 for Oubre straight up. I hope.I´d replace that with an OR. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cow - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:36 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:32 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: There's no way we're stupid enough to trade DFS and #18 for Oubre straight up. I hope.I´d replace that with an OR. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Hypermav - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:35 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1326683931341565952 RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:35 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:18 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: RE the big CP3 rumor: The rumblings I've seen online are that they do no want Lemmon Pepper Lou back. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cjeter24 - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:26 PM)cow Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:02 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: One reason the Mavs may like Oubre (Fish has reported Mavs liked him in Washington) is that he's shown the last few years that he's a pretty decent wing in the PNR being around the 70th percentile. That's not elite by any means. But for a 24 year old wing that was pretty raw coming out? I think that's pretty good with plenty of room to improve. He definitely has good handles for a wing. Well the reason you should make the move now is that you can go over the cap to sign him next summer. If you do indeed get rid of Powell and Wright this offseason, I believe you are going to be able to squeeze in keeping one of Curry and Kleber and having max cap space while retaining the bird rights to Oubre. It's just rough math in my head so don't quote me on that ha. Basically you get a max free agent commit, ship off Kleber or Curry and then sign Oubre to whatever # is necessary to keep him. Of course if you don't think he is getting over 15 mill than it doesn't really matter. Of course all of that is off the table if you got to take Bev. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - DanSchwartzgan - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:23 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: Maybe a Harrell S&T ? As discussed, this is a draft day deal. Too many moving parts to wait for a S&T that may/may not happen. BTW, I would definitely dispute the idea that Oubre is better than DFS. DFS beats him on RPM, Box +/- and PIPM. Raptor likes Oubre better. Put that all together and then add the fact Oubre is a rental and makes 4X what Finney makes. I don't think it is close. The real question here is whether 18/DFS (locked in at low dollars) is worth 10/Rental. Not what we think, but what OKC thinks. If OKC likes someone who will be there at 18, then they would MUCH rather have DFS than Oubre who would leave as soon as he could. (11-11-2020, 05:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(11-11-2020, 05:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Hate to say it, but I can definitely see the Beverly/Oubre combo being a Mavs move. I don't believe I ever put Beverley and Oubre together in a deal to Dallas. The outgoing needed is either too painful or unrealistic. The Dallas angle is cap clearing and pick improvement. I actually think everyone gets what they want in this. Phoenix gets CP3. Dallas clears DFS/Wright and improves their pick (I wonder if this is similar to the discussion around Fournier. It would mean Dallas has a type). OKC gets 18, DFS, Wright and Rubio. But they don't want Rubio, so that gets flipped to Beverley and Shamet. They keep Shamet and flip Beverley to a contender at the TDL. In the end, instead of Oubre (rental), Rubio and 10 for CP3, they get 18, DFS, Wright, Shamet and whatever they get when they flip Beverley. It is truly brilliant for OKC. BTW, it is kind of fun to go away and see the ebb and flow of the board a few hours later. BTW II, forget about THJ being included here. I think the science on that one is probably settled (sorry, couldn't help myself) RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cow - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:42 PM)cjeter24 Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:26 PM)cow Wrote:(11-11-2020, 07:02 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: One reason the Mavs may like Oubre (Fish has reported Mavs liked him in Washington) is that he's shown the last few years that he's a pretty decent wing in the PNR being around the 70th percentile. That's not elite by any means. But for a 24 year old wing that was pretty raw coming out? I think that's pretty good with plenty of room to improve. He definitely has good handles for a wing. That's a good point but you'd have to have more confidence in Oubre working out than I do. As of today, I prefer DFS who has shown continued improvement and is on a controlled/affordable contract. I think I also prefer the 18th pick lottery ticket over the Oubre blossoming lottery ticket because again, you'll control that player for 4 years. Now let me stick my fingers in my ears as everyone reminds me of the MBT drafting prowess I can see us getting off of Wright but I don't think we can get off of Powell. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - DanSchwartzgan - 11-11-2020 (11-11-2020, 07:47 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Just hard for me to imagine with how much Presti values draft picks and how little our front office values draft picks, that we somehow end up with #10. Maybe a side benefit is it takes us out of the running for Poku-man. If OKC likes him as reported, they may see Dallas as a threat. This way they don't have to waste assets jumping us in the draft. BTW, when I say Dallas has a type, the thing Oubre and Fournier have in common is they are good enough to not be a big step backwards in 2020 and expire in time for 2021. It is the poster child for a HIBW's deal. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade (Nov 16?) & FA (Nov 20) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Hypermav - 11-11-2020 OKC is going to need some roster space. (11-11-2020, 07:50 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: It is the poster child for a HIBW's deal. |