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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Mapka - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 12:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote:(11-07-2020, 10:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:(11-07-2020, 10:12 AM)Mapka Wrote:(11-07-2020, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: Assuming it is true, that part about CP3 can make you think. Not the part about Dallas having interest in him but the part about him having zero interest in us. While we hype ourselves how close to contending are we, an all nba player doesn't like his ring chances if he comes to Dallas. You would have to take this, if it is possible. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 11:56 AM)fifteenth Wrote: The reason I like to think about the legit-ness of a source is because I enjoy trying to figure out what the Mavs are thinking. So much this. People are not taking this guys ideas as a fan spit-balling. He is claiming to be an insider with real info and insight. For instance why this matters: Now we have people on this forum questioning whether the Mavs are close to contending or if anyone wants to play with Luka because this anonymous guy on a internet forum like us says that the Mavs are desperate and want CP3 but CP3 wouldn't go to the Mavs. My take on CP3 and the Mavs: I don't think the Mavs would want CP3 and his locker room alpha anywhere near a developing Luka. That feels like the by far more likely scenario. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - cow - 11-07-2020 Would CP3 make the Mavs better? I believe so. Are the Mavs contenders with or without him?? In either case, I don't believe so. That doesn't mean we aren't up-and-comers. League competition will be stronger next year with GSW and the Nets. If CP3 doesn't want to be here, that's understandable and completely fine. He has MAYBE a few good years left and he probably wants a surer bet than the Mavs if he is ring chasing. As far as the insider goes, I have zero faith that he has any insider knowledge but that's also fine. His dumps are another point of conversation. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 02:17 PM)cow Wrote: His dumps are another point of conversation. Totally cool with this and I am not suggesting his words shouldn't be shared. But I do think it is important that people see them as ideas and NOT as data points or facts as we try to discern what the Mavs might be up to. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Hypermav - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 02:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote:CPME knows Luka should control the ball. I don't think that is a slight to Luka if he didn't want to come here. I 2nd your statement.(11-07-2020, 11:56 AM)fifteenth Wrote: The reason I like to think about the legit-ness of a source is because I enjoy trying to figure out what the Mavs are thinking. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 02:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Now we have people on this forum questioning whether the Mavs are close to contending or if anyone wants to play with Luka because this anonymous guy on a internet forum like us says that the Mavs are desperate and want CP3 but CP3 wouldn't go to the Mavs. It was me who opened that discussion and it was just that - something to talk about. I clearly said it is just that. You can agree or disagree with it. Why would you think it would be wrong to discuss the take he had about CP3 not wanting to go to Mavs? Totally same hypothetical discussion we have here all the time. [quote pid='41612' dateline='1604775845'] People are not taking this guys ideas as a fan spit-balling. He is claiming to be an insider with real info and insight. [/quote] This is just my opinion, I am not preventing anyone from anything. I think it is impossible to find out if he is legit or not, because he is posting what is (supposedly) being discussed. As none of us have any insight what is really being discussed, we also don't have any way to prove if he is connected or just making stuff up. Therefore it will always be just one subjective opinion against another. Killer thinks he is connected, you think he is full of shit. I explained in my discussion with Fifteenth why I think it is impossible to deduct what Mavs think from his writings - him being legit or not has no impact on this. If he is not legit, his writings still are nice ideas to discuss - stuff we are discussing about anyway and sometimes something new is brought up. If he is legit and even if everything he says is true, he still doesn't provide enough and just parts of conversations that anyone would be able to deduct what Mavs REALLY think. (11-07-2020, 02:31 PM)Kammrath Wrote: But I do think it is important that people see them as ideas and NOT as data points or facts as we try to discern what the Mavs might be up to. Totally agree with this. Personally I never said I believe (or not) what he is saying. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - ClutchDirk - 11-07-2020 https://media.giphy.com/media/p9e9Lyi3xaweY/giphy.gif RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 02:39 PM)Hypermav Wrote: CPME knows Luka should control the ball. I don't think that is a slight to Luka if he didn't want to come here. I 2nd your statement. I don't think we should or could trade for CP3 this offseason, because he is too expensive. But I think this take is just wrong. CP3 was not primary ball handler in Houston and he wasn't "controlling" the ball in OKC. He at least equally shared the task with Schroeder, who actually had much higher usage rate, and SGA. In theory I think it would be great if Luka could share a bit of his offensive burden and I think Mavs need this unless we are trying to become "Harden era Houston" 2.0. CP3 was not the problem in Houston. It was Harden who couldn't accept totally justified critique that he should share the ball a bit more. So it is Harden with the "ME" problem, not CP3, imho. Another example were Clippers, where I again totally understand his critiques against unserious teammates like DeAndre and to an extent Griffin. I see him as extremely competitive player with high basketball IQ and I think Luka would work with him greatly. Luka is smart, competitive and (I think and hope) he is not selfish as Harden. That's why he wouldn't have any problem with CP3 and he would be able to learn a lot from him like the OKC guys had. But to conclude again - I think there is zero possibility CP3 comes to Dallas and I wouldn't trade our assets for him, as it would take too many. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - burekemde - 11-07-2020 Philosophy wise, what I would really love to see is Luka stop dribbling up from one end to another every time. I think this energy he spends into this is not equalling the level of his talent. He should get the ball in the final third on almost every play and run the show, it is here his talent can be used the most, and his energy. This strategy would also neglect any ability of the defense to double team him high up, mid court or even on our side. Is there a keyword for this type of PG that helps the primary one? One that dribbles up the court and then in the final third or around the arc, first then passes it over to your primary creator on offense that will start run the plays? This is what I would love to see from our new SG for instance. And in case the defenses double Luka to prevent him getting the basketball in the final third, this SG should have enough playmaking skills to take advantage of this. Here is where I think Bane would be enough. He has more creativity and playmaking and ability to penetrate than THJ to take advantage of this. In addition, I would really like to see from any new potential SG we could get to have some of these skills, but the key would be defense and 3 point shooting. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-07-2020 https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mavericks-offseason-preview-dallas-has-options-in-their-quest-to-find-a-third-star/ RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 04:55 PM)omahen Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mavericks-offseason-preview-dallas-has-options-in-their-quest-to-find-a-third-star/ Quote:Townsend's report included another important nugget: the Mavericks want to move into the lottery. They have the ammunition to do so. They're close enough as it is at No. 18. Golden State's second-round pick is arguably more valuable than a late first-round pick, as it is not subject to the rookie scale. If absolutely necessary, they do have tradeable future first-round pick in the bank: their 2027 selection, which is the only choice available thanks to the Stepien Rule's interpretation of the protections on that 2023 pick. Throw in a player or two and the Mavericks should have some options here. The question is how high they can go. So that "Supes" guy on the Hawks website is claiming that Hayward is a two horse race between ATL and BOS. If true, this means the DAL connection was smoke to put pressure on one of those two parties. Quote:There is no other team in the picture other than Boston. The price point [for Hayward] is too high for everyone it seems outside of us which makes sense if you are going to overpay someone in FA. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-07-2020 Mavs are like GSW. They are dropping smoke all around. One day it is trade up, next day it is trade for a star or almost a star. I find both options good. The question is, what if none of those two will be available? Draft the picks and run it again or look for "mediocre" upgrade by attaching picks to Wright, Powell and similar for a better fit. So trades for guys like Richardson, Schroeder and similar. I think I know Kamms answer Personally I would go vet upgrade way, if available. Removing protection from 2023 pick is an interesting idea. Besides adding value it would also "free" 2025 pick to be traded. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Tyler - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 04:55 PM)omahen Wrote: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/mavericks-offseason-preview-dallas-has-options-in-their-quest-to-find-a-third-star/ Thanks for sharing this. One of the more interesting points they make is that a trade with NY for #8 could involve something that uniquely helps both teams -- the future protections on the pick Dallas already owes them. Not only could that have some value to NY, but it also frees up Dallas to trade their own future picks more easily without the Stepien rule getting in the way. So a base offer of 18, 31, and removing protections on the future 1 (likely with some other player included) to move up to 8 might be a really interesting move. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 05:24 PM)omahen Wrote: I think I know Kamms answer (11-07-2020, 05:27 PM)Tyler Wrote: So a base offer of 18, 31, and removing protections on the future 1 (likely with some other player included) to move up to 8 might be a really interesting move. If Killian Hayes is there at #8 I am ALL IN! RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - FunkBoreland - 11-07-2020 Quote:As badly as the Mavericks might want another star, it's worth pointing out that, for now, they probably don't need one. They just had the greatest offensive season in NBA history. The marginal value of another elite scorer is pretty limited. Typically, that value would come through staggering. Normal teams need more production when their best player goes to the bench. Dallas doesn't. The Mavs outscored opponents by 4.1 points per 100 possessions when Doncic went to the bench. They should absolutely plan to add a third star eventually. Three stars are better than two. But why pay assets for an underwhelming star now when you can just sign a better one outright in a year? .... Dallas doesn't need to jump the gun. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Pretty much what I've perceived in Team Play. Injuries derail many of the 2019-2020 potential (DP pop achilles, Curry getting sore leg, Lukas scary-roll-ankle in Miami game) that we would of saw a different ending to this season. Still the team produce so much, even without Doncic. The third star will be there eventually in 2021, but its most important need is defenders, that won't take away the offense that it produce last year. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 05:33 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: Pretty much what I've perceived in Team Play. Yep I loved that part as well. I thought this author made a lot of sense in his analysis of the Mavs. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - FunkBoreland - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 05:24 PM)omahen Wrote: They are dropping smoke all around. One day it is trade up, next day it is trade for a star or almost a star. If dropping smoke is what he (Donnie) did with when he ask for THJ, then his repeating the same for this offseason. And if has to run it back again with just the draft picks and the same players from last year, I'm sure his going to drop smoke looking for a trade midseason. BTW, whats to happen with Justin Jackson?!?! @Kammrath or he just read this forum there is a lot of good points made here. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - omahen - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 05:27 PM)Tyler Wrote: One of the more interesting points they make is that a trade with NY for #8 could involve something that uniquely helps both teams -- the future protections on the pick Dallas already owes them. Not only could that have some value to NY, but it also frees up Dallas to trade their own future picks more easily without the Stepien rule getting in the way. There is perhaps another way to "free" that 2025 pick. Trade down with OKC, which only pick this year is #25 yet they have a gazillion of picks in next seasons with probably more coming. My idea is: #18 for #25 and OKC worst 2023 FRP (I think they have plenty). (11-07-2020, 05:41 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: BTW, whats to happen with Justin Jackson?!?! Salary filler in a trade imho. If no trade happens, they will keep him and perhaps cut him after TDL (unless he shows considerable improvement, of course). RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - Kammrath - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 05:41 PM)FunkBoreland Wrote: @Kammrath or he just read this forum there is a lot of good points made here. More sports writers would have better things to say if they did. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & FA (Nov 20?) + Salary Chart | $109.1M cap - BoulderMFFL - 11-07-2020 My thoughts on some players mentioned in previous posts. Melo: He does not want to come off the bench. He is black hole on offense and does nothing for me on defense. So a HARD NO. Gallinari: He would be a nice addition, but he does not put us over the top. I say pass unless we can get him on the cheap (read vet min or at the most MLE). Dragic: I would love to have Dragic and I think he would have signed for the MLE to play with Luka if Miami would have won the championship. Now I am pretty sure he will stay with the Heat to try to win a championship. Bertrans: You cannot not have too much shooting, especially when you have Luka. Bertrans for the MLE is a pipe-dream as the Wiz will probably pay him around $15M a year. |