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RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Tyler - 10-18-2020 (10-18-2020, 01:53 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they: Bold. And it would certainly limit the financial flexibility elsewhere. But yes, I'd do that deal. And for a fresh start, I bet Washington might as well. Like you, I suspect that a healthy Wall could eventually be rebuilt into a good player and an asset that could be traded even at that money (perhaps for guys like Horford & Harris who are similarly overpaid). And in the meantime, it would be an interesting experiment to simply ignore the salary and let him go crazy as the 6th man. (10-18-2020, 02:20 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://sports.yahoo.com/rumor-lakers-much-more-likely-150059461.html Educated guess: Rose/Justin Jackson to LA Wright/31 to Detroit Danny Green to Dallas LA has only so many contracts to trade, and it just feels like Green to Dallas is inevitable. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - KillerLeft - 10-18-2020 (10-18-2020, 04:40 PM)Tyler Wrote: LA has only so many contracts to trade, and it just feels like Green to Dallas is inevitable. Wouldn’t shock me, but I sure hope you’re wrong. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - cow - 10-18-2020 Regarding Dan's idea, I just don't see it. If Washington wants to rebuild and I'm the GM, I just trade Beal to maximize the return on assets. Including pick swaps seems a little too one-sided in Dallas' favor. I also don't see a universe where Wall, given his injury history and contract size, is anything but a negative asset. If you acquired him and wanted to ditch him down the line, you aren't going to return neutral or positive assets. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - ItsGoTime - 10-18-2020 (10-18-2020, 01:53 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Well, Cuban did reportedly say the Mav's are willing to eat salary to get a star. Wall is salary and Beal is a star. So, would you/would they:A couple things. I agree with cow that the pick swap makes it a bit too Mavs-sided. I also think there would be teams out there that would take on Wall's contract to get Beal so if that were on the table, it would have already been done. Pick swapping #18 for #37 maybe? Also, with Wall here, we could forgo any picks by adding Brunson to the trade to give him a shot at reaching his full potential which means Lee gets signed for a bit less. I don't agree that there is no way Wall could have a resurgence as a 6th man who is given the green light to go hog wild when he is in the game. Not so much that the contract becomes an asset, but enough that another team sees him as a starter again and would trade for a potential bigger resurgence (like CP3 who was said at one point to be too overpaid to be tradeable). Biggest question is do we get an extension with Beal when we trade for him or do we have him as a 1 year rental? Also, is he a good defender? I don't remember him being that much of a good one. If he isn't, those 2 other starters had better be RoCo good at least. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-18-2020 (10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: is he a good defender? The last two seasons Beal has been -5.8 and -10.7 (!) on D (on/off), the worst for his whole team both seasons (!). He was literally the 3rd worst defender (!) in the whole NBA according to DRPM (-4.79). Only Isaiah Thomas and Trae Young were worst defenders. Does that mean he can't be serviceable if in a better situation? No. But do NOT count on him to be anything that helps team D. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - ItsGoTime - 10-18-2020 (10-18-2020, 10:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote:Ugh, that does not look promising at all.(10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: is he a good defender? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - SleepingHero - 10-19-2020 (10-18-2020, 10:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: is he a good defender? In the mantra of Ol'Nellie, why care about them scoring 130 on you if you can drop 150 on them? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - ItsGoTime - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 12:09 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:FIFY(10-18-2020, 10:06 PM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-18-2020, 09:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: is he a good defender? RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - michaeltex - 10-19-2020 3 questions for a Monday morning:
RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - KillerLeft - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 09:36 AM)michaeltex Wrote: 3 questions for a Monday morning: I agree, these are the questions. Here's my thinking on them right now. 1. I'm not sure it's final yet, but it seems like the cap will be in the range of $109-115 million. That seems pretty safe. 2. No idea. Lots of questions here lately about that. Would love to know, and I can't believe Fish hasn't reported exact dates. 3. I think he's tradable, even if it's just to move the contract. ALL expiring contracts have availability, especially with 2021 looming large. I agree that his value as a piece to include in future plans is much lower than fans think, because of the contractual issues you mention and because he hasn't really been a good player since coming back. The contract is GOLD, though. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 09:36 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [*]Is the $115MM salary cap a firm number now? Or is it still under negotiation?[*] 1) The number will be $109M at BEST. If the NBA and players cannot come to an agreement to change the cap mechanism, then teams think the cap would drop to about $90M. I think there is ZERO chance the cap is higher than $109M. I do think $109M is the most likely because I don't think anyone wants a cap drop. 2) All the options are getting pushed down the road. Most options will be AFTER the draft (Nov 18). Basically the draft is the next domino that must fall before anything else. 3) I would not trade for Dipo unless he was almost given away. He is a huge risk and also seems like his attitude might lead him to screwing over the team that would trade for him. I wouldn't touch him. https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1318206885347102720 RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - omahen - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: 3) I would not trade for Dipo unless he was almost given away. Ah, Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away. That Cato piece is crappy. He doesn't want Giannis because Mavs would be too good and it would take romantics out of basketball. Because it would be like Durant to GSW move. Well, mr. Cato, this Mavs team needs to win something first, to be compared to that GSW team. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - KillerLeft - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: 1) The number will be $109M at BEST. If the NBA and players cannot come to an agreement to change the cap mechanism, then teams think the cap would drop to about $90M. I think there is ZERO chance the cap is higher than $109M. I do think $109M is the most likely because I don't think anyone wants a cap drop. What are you basing this assertion on? Did I miss an article? If so, this is being reported wildly differently from source to source. I saw the $115 million number thrown around just yesterday. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - StepBackJay - 10-19-2020 Trading Beal to dump Wall would be the stupidest thing. Why would Washington do that? If they trade Beal it's going to be for a large package of picks and/or a young talented player. Think Paul George trade. That's what a rebuilding team needs, not cap relief. If you are rebuilding, it's a multi-year project anyway. Who cares if wall is getting paid 40 mil if the rest of your team are young players on rookie deals. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - Kammrath - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:48 AM)omahen Wrote: Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away. I just fundamentally disagree with this. 1) He had a PER of 11.3 last year and only 17.6 before the injury. 2) He shot 39% and 31% (27.5% on catch and shoot) on threes and yet 42% of his shots were threes (!) last year. He shot only 42% before the injury. 3) He struggled to share the ball with Brogdon whose usage is NOTHING compared to Luka. 4) He had a devastating injury that is worse than an ACL and relies on elite athleticism to be successful. 5) He has had ONE great year in seven seasons. Giving up assets of any kind (especially first round picks) is extremely risky to me for him. I think you actually have a better chance hitting in the draft on #18 than you do getting Dipo to be a good and healthy fit in DAL. One man's opinion. We'll see what happens with his career. (10-19-2020, 10:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: What are you basing this assertion on? Did I miss an article? Report by Shams that I put in the "Around the NBA" section. Many teams fear the cap will drop $25-30M from the previously estimated $115M unless players and owners can agree to artificially bump it. The owners are going to want to hemorrhage as little as possible, so them agreeing to go above $109M seems impossible to me. That is what I am basing my opinion on. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - KillerLeft - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote:(10-19-2020, 10:48 AM)omahen Wrote: Dipo is extremely low risk scenario. If he works out and wants to stay, great. If not, we have our cap space for 2021. Paying #18 and some role players is like he was given away. I totally agree with your opinion of the player. I guess I'm just more resigned than you about how into the 2021 thing they are. Having said that, since THJ would probably have to be in that deal (for basketball reasons, not value reasons) then I suppose there are other, better ways of approaching the two-pronged plan I've been hyping. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - SleepingHero - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/1318206885347102720 Ok Cato, you're out of you're depth. To be fair, he does repeatedly say his opinion makes no sense, and is borderline treasonous. But even still. His main justification of why he doesn't want Giannis on the Mavs is that they'd be boring...(in that it'd be too easy to win). What a load of you-know-what. I'd argue that a tandem of Luka-KP-Giannis would produce the most exciting basketball we've seen in a long time. All 3 bring uniqueness to the table AND balance each other out. Luka with otherworldly vision and scoring. KP being a unicorn with his ability to stretch the floor to half court AND guard the rim. And Giannis being an all time defender and transition monster. The Mavs wouldn't be boring. They'd be dominant. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - omahen - 10-19-2020 (10-19-2020, 11:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: He shot 39% and 31% (27.5% on catch and shoot) on threes and yet 42% of his shots were threes (!) last year. Focusing on his 19 games this season post injury is like evaluating KP based on his performance in first 30 games or so this season. I guess you were devastated Mavs paid 2 first round picks, former #9 pick and took some bad money for him. Not to mention he really only had half of a good season before that. It is very easy to take a couple of bad numbers and focus all your argument on that. Dipo is a proven two way player. Yeah, he is not a lights out shooter but he is far from bad. And he can create for himself. He is basically what we need next to Luka. Of course, I would prefer if he had Curry like shooting too, but hey, let's be a bit more realistic. His career PER is 16,5 while THJ is 13,7. He is basically better than THJ in every statistical category, even before we start with the defensive part. Not to mention Dipo never had the opportunity to play next to a PG of Luka caliber. So don't say that difference between the two is not worth a mid round FRP. We should run away smiling if that would be all it would cost. Risks regarding his health status are easiest to manage, as Mavs will have the information needed we can only guess. So assuming he is healthy, this is basically lowest selling point you can get him for. But I guess you can wait for half a season for him to have a killing 40 games so you can be sure about his worth. Unfortunately, his price will be much different then. RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - ClutchDirk - 10-19-2020 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30127108/nba-free-agency-people-power-make-big-moves Multiple sources have emphatically said Milwaukee will not look to trade Antetokounmpo if he passes on the extension. Instead, the Bucks will try to improve their roster and use the next year to show Antetokounmpo why he should stay. Waiting would give Antetokounmpo maximum leverage over Milwaukee over the next 12 months. If the Bucks are willing to add to their payroll to improve the team -- something ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski has reported they are -- Milwaukee could chase a significant upgrade in trades (despite being short on prime assets). RE: OFFSEASON: Mavs Trade & Free Agency (Dec 1?) + Salary Chart | Season (Jan 18?) - StepBackJay - 10-19-2020 I think for sure the Bucks can make 1 or 2 impact moves at a minimum. Way too early to count them out. A CP3 move would be really big for them honestly and they have other options as well. |