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RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - ClutchDirk - 01-13-2020
https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1216699576134053888
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - DanSchwartzgan - 01-13-2020
(01-12-2020, 09:38 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(01-12-2020, 08:05 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/01/11/andre-drummond-nba-trade-rumors-detroit-pistons/4441738002/
I'm not totally ruling this out as it would be Mav's like to grab a Schwartz client prior to his option year and sign him longer term in the summer. The packages being mentioned for Drummond are awful.
https://theathletic.com/1528344/2020/01/13/trading-andre-drummond-teams-that-make-sense-and-others-that-dont/
New article from the Detroit beat writer for The Athletic. Basically explains why the offers haven't been good:
"Drummond has indicated he could decline his $28.7 million player option for next season and test free agency. The Pistons would rather not have him leave for nothing, and are seeking a first-round pick or a promising young player in a trade. But a team considering trading for Drummond may not have the assurance he will commit beyond this season. Giving up an asset for a gamble doesn’t seem likely unless an organization is desperate or willing to hand Drummond an enticing deal in the open market.
That alone puts Detroit at a disadvantage in discussions.
The Pistons aren’t interested in paying Drummond $28.7 million next season. If he does leave, Detroit will have more than $60 million coming off the books by the summer. That’s intriguing to the organization’s fairly new front office, hence the willingness to get a trade done even if it only brings expiring contracts back in return.
Teams aren’t offering first-round picks right now. On the surface, Detroit could look like it loses any trade that just involves expiring contracts, but the prospect of securing that much salary-cap space may turn into a win in the long run."
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - ClutchDirk - 01-13-2020
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1216706351373615106
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1216709208084709377
https://twitter.com/TimMaxwell22/status/1216479826204221440
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/2020-nba-trade-deadline-primer-sacramento-kings/
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
Great Hollinger quote from The Athletic:
Andre Drummond and Kevin Love have been in the news a lot lately, but I’m not sure if most teams will view either as a positive asset. Centers, in general, have been devalued to the point that paying either of them $28 million seems like a reach, plus most contending teams are doing fine in the middle. The ones that aren’t (a list that includes Boston, Boston and also the Celtics), can’t easily put together a deal that takes back nearly $30 million without including key players who are likely more valuable than Drummond or Love.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - Mavs2019 - 01-13-2020
I´ll predict that Tobias Harris will be the biggest name/contract traded. With the Simmons extension about to kick in, I think they´ll move him for some shooting. $180M for 20/7/3 against a decreasing cap.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
Add one cap gem from same author:
If the Lakers coveted Iguodala, for instance, they could package DeMarcus Cousins, Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels to Charlotte for MKG and Willie Hernangomez — generating a $9.5 million trade exception for the Hornets while saving them over $2 million in salary the rest of the season. (The Lakers can take Hernangomez into the Cousins injury exception. L.A. would likely have to throw in $1 million cash to cover Cook’s guarantee next year, if not more. Using Hernangomez to offset Cooks’ salary and taking Daniels into a minimum exception allows the trade exception to be $9.5 million – the difference between Kidd-Gilchrist’s salary and Cousins’.) The Lakers could then turn and send Kidd-Gilchrist to Memphis straight up for Iguodala, attaching, say, second-round picks in 2023 and 2025 to finish it off. They’d finish all this with 14 players and still be $1.4 million from the tax line – enabling them to add a buyout guy with their last spot.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - ClutchDirk - 01-13-2020
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1216755496071286786
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - SleepingHero - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 10:39 AM)omahen Wrote: Add one cap gem from same author:
If the Lakers coveted Iguodala, for instance, they could package DeMarcus Cousins, Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels to Charlotte for MKG and Willie Hernangomez — generating a $9.5 million trade exception for the Hornets while saving them over $2 million in salary the rest of the season. (The Lakers can take Hernangomez into the Cousins injury exception. L.A. would likely have to throw in $1 million cash to cover Cook’s guarantee next year, if not more. Using Hernangomez to offset Cooks’ salary and taking Daniels into a minimum exception allows the trade exception to be $9.5 million – the difference between Kidd-Gilchrist’s salary and Cousins’.) The Lakers could then turn and send Kidd-Gilchrist to Memphis straight up for Iguodala, attaching, say, second-round picks in 2023 and 2025 to finish it off. They’d finish all this with 14 players and still be $1.4 million from the tax line – enabling them to add a buyout guy with their last spot.
I love little cap workarounds like this. Its really clever stuff.
But is MKG+2 future seconds any better than Lee+2 future seconds? If Memphis was willing to take that deal I'm sure they could have already.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - fifteenth - 01-13-2020
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/whats-mavs-trade-interest-level-in-iguodala-and-covington
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - ClutchDirk - 01-13-2020
Detroit Pistons center Andre Drummond has been the subject of numerous trade rumors, and another one appeared Monday.
James L. Edwards III of The Athletic wrote the Atlanta Hawks, who have been connected to the big man in advance of the Feb. 6 trade deadline, started speaking with the Pistons about Drummond "around Christmas."
Sam Amick of The Athletic wrote the Hawks and Pistons would have gotten a deal done if Atlanta threw in a first-round draft pick. However, Edwards wrote that "teams aren't offering first-round picks right now" in a potential Drummond deal.
https://twitter.com/AJohnsonNBA/status/1216737781533356032
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1216736664002945024
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 01:29 PM)fifteenth Wrote: https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/whats-mavs-trade-interest-level-in-iguodala-and-covington
Ah Fish... There are at least 10 articles of this quality and way better written on this forum daily. Absolutely no content inside. At least they should be able to construct a working Covington trade theory.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - fifteenth - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 02:46 PM)omahen Wrote: Ah Fish... There are at least 10 articles of this quality and way better written on this forum daily. Absolutely no content inside. At least they should be able to construct a working Covington trade theory.
The content is that he has real live Mavs contacts and he thinks the Mavs will ask about Covington. That's bordering on actual news. I don't care about whether he can construct fantasy trades.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 02:52 PM)fifteenth Wrote: The content is that he has real live Mavs contacts and he thinks the Mavs will ask about Covington. That's bordering on actual news. I don't care about whether he can construct fantasy trades.
I don't need to have real life Mavs contacts to know that Mavs will ask about Covington. As they will probably about a hundred other players. It is their job. Fish is always selling his "real life Mavs contacts" stories, but I have never seen anything more like crap in this "article".
I also don't need to have real life Mav contacts to know Lee+Brunson is not near enough for a solid starter.
Besides, there is absolutely nothing else but pure speculation about Covington in the article. The only thing he claims to know is that Mavs offered Lee and seconds for Iggy in the summer.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - fifteenth - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 03:05 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't need to have real life Mavs contacts to know that Mavs will ask about Covington. As they will probably about a hundred other players. It is their job. Fish is always selling his "real life Mavs contacts" stories, but I have never seen anything more like crap in this "article".
I also don't need to have real life Mav contacts to know Lee+Brunson is not near enough for a solid starter.
To me, someone who is plugged in thinking that the Mavs are interested in Covington is way more valuable than all of us amateurs thinking that it's obvious. You get to consume information in whatever way you choose of course.
Fish has always been about selling that he has contacts. Can't fault him for that because 1) he actually does have contacts, and 2) he makes a living as a guy who has contacts. He's a beat writer by trade. Having contacts and writing based on information from contacts is what he does and has always done. After he left the news paper business and went out on his own, he had to add 'salesman' to the list.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - SkenfromLMF - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 03:05 PM)omahen Wrote:(01-13-2020, 02:52 PM)fifteenth Wrote: The content is that he has real live Mavs contacts and he thinks the Mavs will ask about Covington. That's bordering on actual news. I don't care about whether he can construct fantasy trades.
I don't need to have real life Mavs contacts to know that Mavs will ask about Covington...
I also don't need to have real life Mav contacts to know Lee+Brunson is not near enough for a solid starter.
the question is whether Brunson + say $15 Million is worth Covington.
Covington is really interesting because he fits within the TPE for Barnes. So Dallas gives Minnesota a "starting level PG" with no other salary commitments ($10 million in savings) and kicks in $5 million cash to Minnesota.
Minnesota might counter that they insist on the GSW #2, at which point Dallas manipulates the cash payment down to say $2 million. OR Dallas could arrange a swap of 2nd rd picks to use as part of a Lee package for another big and/or replacement for Brunson.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - fifteenth - 01-13-2020
I tend to stay away from all the trade talk since I don't care for crazy fantasy trades, which seems to be 95% of trade talk. But of all the semi realistic trade targets we've discussed, Covington is the one I'd welcome most. If we can get him without giving up DFS, count me in. Yes to more wings that can shoot and play D!!
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 03:22 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: the question is whether Brunson + say $15 Million is worth Covington
No, it is not.
Let me show you on a simple comparison. Let's say we are weak at wing. Would you give Maxi away for Kurucs (wing Brunson equivalent) and 5 million in cash? It would save us 6 million per season and we get a young prospect, locked for a cheap contract that showed he could play. Plus he is Latvian! Great deal! Who says no?
Half of league is looking at ways to get Covington, Minny will not just give him away for free, because it would clear them 10 mil in cap space.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - SkenfromLMF - 01-13-2020
Now the negotiating begins...
Powell for Kurucs and cash + a high 2nd starts to intrigue me, and the difference between Powell and Maxi in your hypothetical is that we are not sellers.
Minnesota definitively should be...
How much does the GSW pick, Justin Jackson, or a future first (2025) move the needle in their value of JB + Cash?
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
(01-13-2020, 05:11 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Powell for Kurucs and cash + a high 2nd starts to intrigue me
Yeah, but we don't want "Dieng" (Powell), we want Covington (Maxi). Dieng would not work for us.
The problem with both JB and JJ is, that I don't believe league thinks they have huge upside. You basically get what you see. Decent players with some room for improvement, but not really potential to become legit good starters as Covington is. If Mavs believed they have this potential, why would we trade their micro contracts.... 2nd round pick is still just a second round pick. It is not much worse than 1st rounder in the twenties, but it is still a longshot that you will get someting crazy good at that point.
RE: NBA Trade Rumors (New Drummond trade updates page 25) - omahen - 01-13-2020
Another example: Covington would be great for OKC. They have their young star in SGA, they have vets that are still young and established (Adams, Schroeder), they have experienced vets (Paul, Gallo), they have a bunch of developing youngsters that have potential to become decent role players or perhaps more (Ferguson, Diallo, Patton, Bazley). The position they are weakest is wing. So: Roberson as expiring salary filler, "pick your young guy" from the potential group and a first rounder or two for RoCo. The treasure chest of picks they have would remain only barely touched, waiting for the next disgruntled star.