(01-03-2020, 06:14 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: When you post that comment in response to when i'm talking about Drummond vs Powell, then you ARE talking about Drummond whether you like it or not.

(01-03-2020, 06:42 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1213232956661260288

(01-03-2020, 06:47 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:42 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1213232956661260288

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(01-03-2020, 06:23 PM)Luka_Magic Wrote: Drummond would put this team over the top. His defensive shortcomings could be masked by KP shotblocking. As with any Adams deal I think the Mavs simply don't have the pieces to pull something of this magnitude off, although the interest Detroit has in expiring contracts bodes well for our ability to get something in return for Lee. I can only imagine the Mavs have kicked the tires with Detoit on this thing with some sort of package.

(01-03-2020, 06:58 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: a) want to trade for him or b) hate Powell or both

(01-03-2020, 07:03 PM)Dundalis Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:23 PM)Luka_Magic Wrote: Drummond would put this team over the top. His defensive shortcomings could be masked by KP shotblocking. As with any Adams deal I think the Mavs simply don't have the pieces to pull something of this magnitude off, although the interest Detroit has in expiring contracts bodes well for our ability to get something in return for Lee. I can only imagine the Mavs have kicked the tires with Detoit on this thing with some sort of package.

Over the top of what exactly? It's certainly not going to make us a better team. Just watch this teams offensive officiency fall off a cliff. Watch Luka have less space to drive, and Drummond waste possessions putting shots up (far more frequently, and far less efficiently than DAJ did last year, who was also not good for this team). For all the talk about Powell, he CAN space the floor, because he will stand at the 3 point line and take the open shot at a 30% rate or set great picks and roll hard to the rim. Drummond won't do the former and isn't any good at the latter (0.95 ppp in PnR, 28th percentile, vs Kleber 1.44 92nd percentile and Powell 1.20 66th percentile, which is low for him this season).

Also Drummond is NOT a good defender, in exactly the same way DAJ wasn't a good defender. He's terrible defending PnR, and sells out for rebounds. A guy is going to take the team over the top when he needs to be masked by someone else defensively, when this team is middle of the pack defensively as it is? Our rebounding might get better, but it really doesn't need to get much better, but we will be worse offensively, and defensively. Also the dude will be a liability in the playoffs. Some terrible takes here.

(01-03-2020, 07:02 PM)JamesConway Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:47 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:42 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1213232956661260288

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I don't want to advocate for Drummond and I also doubt that we're really in this, but Imo Townsend has been off more often than not when it comes to his sources' accuracy. He talked a lot about Vucevic being a target for us starting last February and iirc he also put out some stuff during FA that was just wrong pretty much all the time.

He's a legit guy who is close to the team, don't get me wrong, but when it comes to hearing things from within then I don't have him too high on the list.

(01-03-2020, 06:28 PM)TXBamanut Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:23 PM)Luka_Magic Wrote: Drummond would put this team over the top. His defensive shortcomings could be masked by KP shotblocking. As with any Adams deal I think the Mavs simply don't have the pieces to pull something of this magnitude off, although the interest Detroit has in expiring contracts bodes well for our ability to get something in return for Lee. I can only imagine the Mavs have kicked the tires with Detoit on this thing with some sort of package.

The statistics say that he doesn't have defensive shortcomings, which was COMPLETELY a surprise to me.  Check the stats yourself.

Here's what I found and posted earlier in the thread, that totally shocked me...

Drummond is...(all these stats are league stats, not position filtered)
"5th in Defensive win shares
5th in Defensive Box Plus Minus
11th in blocks

He's hit a sub-100 defensive rating for 4 of his 8 seasons, and currently is 13th in the NBA in Defensive rating."

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(01-03-2020, 06:27 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: @"TXBamanut"

Interesting take. We've all wondered what this team would look like **IF** Boban could start and play 30 minutes.

So you're suggesting a trade for Drummond, who **CAN** start & play 30 minutes while providing Boban-like production, might be the answer.

Very interesting.

It's an interesting possibility... I still am concerned about what it does to the spacing for the floor for 30 minutes, as opposed to what Boban on the floor for 15 does....but it's interesting to say the least.

(01-03-2020, 07:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 07:02 PM)JamesConway Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:47 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:42 PM)omahen Wrote: https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1213232956661260288

https://media.giphy.com/media/ir1FV4pWSmrXMfTNNY/giphy.gif

I don't want to advocate for Drummond and I also doubt that we're really in this, but Imo Townsend has been off more often than not when it comes to his sources' accuracy. He talked a lot about Vucevic being a target for us starting last February and iirc he also put out some stuff during FA that was just wrong pretty much all the time.

He's a legit guy who is close to the team, don't get me wrong, but when it comes to hearing things from within then I don't have him too high on the list.

I need him to be right this time.

(01-03-2020, 07:14 PM)Aussiebballer Wrote: I got bored ?
How about a 3 team trade...

Dallas get
Drummond
Bogdanovic
Maker
Thomas
Frazier

Kings get
Griffin
Snell
Roby
Hardaway
Morris


Detroit get
Powell
Barnes
Dedmon
Giles
Brunson
Jackson
Ariza
Lee
GSW 2nd rd pick

(01-03-2020, 07:18 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I need him to be right this time.

(01-03-2020, 07:14 PM)JamesConway Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 07:03 PM)Dundalis Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:23 PM)Luka_Magic Wrote: Drummond would put this team over the top. His defensive shortcomings could be masked by KP shotblocking. As with any Adams deal I think the Mavs simply don't have the pieces to pull something of this magnitude off, although the interest Detroit has in expiring contracts bodes well for our ability to get something in return for Lee. I can only imagine the Mavs have kicked the tires with Detoit on this thing with some sort of package.

Over the top of what exactly? It's certainly not going to make us a better team. Just watch this teams offensive officiency fall off a cliff. Watch Luka have less space to drive, and Drummond waste possessions putting shots up (far more frequently, and far less efficiently than DAJ did last year, who was also not good for this team). For all the talk about Powell, he CAN space the floor, because he will stand at the 3 point line and take the open shot at a 30% rate or set great picks and roll hard to the rim. Drummond won't do the former and isn't any good at the latter (0.95 ppp in PnR, 28th percentile, vs Kleber 1.44 92nd percentile and Powell 1.20 66th percentile, which is low for him this season).

Also Drummond is NOT a good defender, in exactly the same way DAJ wasn't a good defender. He's terrible defending PnR, and sells out for rebounds. A guy is going to take the team over the top when he needs to be masked by someone else defensively, when this team is middle of the pack defensively as it is? Our rebounding might get better, but it really doesn't need to get much better, but we will be worse offensively, and defensively. Also the dude will be a liability in the playoffs. Some terrible takes here.

Most of the stuff you've brought up are things that people around here are aware. But some obviously think that he'd look vastly different in DAL compared to DET. He's not getting any postups here, I can guarantee you that.

Prime DeAndre Jordan was the absolute bluechip fit in terms of being the ideal Mavs PnR-finishing Center. We got the washed up, lazy version. But when he was at his best DJ was a s super athletic Center who could catch almost any lob from any angle who doesn't have plays run for him yet still produces. Basically a Dwight Powell on steroids. The whole idea with Drummond is that he might become that here in our system. He certainly has the athletic and physical tools.

For me personally it comes down to the price tag. Our rotation lacks balance anyway so a move might potentially add a high-upside starter to this roster without hurting the rotation too much. For instance our guard rotation is pretty crowded. JJB barely ever plays yet we still can't get all off Curry/Brunson/Wright the minutes they deserve. I am open-minded about moving one of them in a trade to balance out the squad and don't see a lot of downside there. Then we got plenty of other players who can be thrown in deals as fillers who don't play either (Lee, Bro, Roby).

It's a buy low-situation. That's it. We've done comparable moves in the past. I fully expect Drummond to be moved for a weak package. Maybe even worth less than what we traded away in the Noel-acquisition.

(01-03-2020, 07:06 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:

(01-03-2020, 06:58 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: a) want to trade for him or b) hate Powell or both

a) Could care less about him being traded for, unless we pay too much for him. He might be a good piece to the puzzle, he might derail the whole thing. If it were to happen, I'd have a wait and see approach.

b) I don't hate Powell the player, I hate Powell the 3 point shooter and the notion that people think we need yet another 3 point shooter to go with KP so we can play 5 out basketball. So when someone wants to make a point about Powell's 3 shot being in any way a positive thing, I respond.

(01-03-2020, 07:38 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1213220654977339393

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