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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - SkenfromLMF - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:52 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:(02-03-2020, 10:19 AM)fifteenth Wrote:(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:
I'm in. Sorry DP.
Unfortunately, we have to assume that Dwight will never be the same. We have seen Wes and JJB come back from Achilles injuries here, but their games did not rely on athleticism. There is a really big chance he is never the same player. If Dwight wants to prolong his career, he will likely have to accept a reduced role. If we do ever get Dwight back, I don't see any problem with having all 4 of KP/Maxi/Gordon/Dwight.
Most importantly, RC can unlock AG. If Rick does so, Luka/THJ/DFS/AG/KP with whoever is left after a trade with ORL off the bench would be deadly.
If we could swing a deal based around Wright and Jackson I am in on Gordon. Orlando is going to want some draft assets and that is something of which we are on short supply. I would not use Maxi to get Gordon if we are talking about a reclamation project.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 08:16 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(02-02-2020, 10:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: So we're giving up on keeping WCS? I don't think the MLE can be split.
Total, unmitigated, epic, unforgivable, binary (insert other Scott overly dramatic terms as appropriate)...FAIL
Ok... how do you propose to keep WCS while also pursuing RHJ? We are unlikely to have cap room. Vet min and the MLE are all there is. Edit: never mind, I missed the HTML of the post above that the MLE can indeed be split.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - vfromlmf - 02-03-2020
Capela --> Warriors
Covington --> Rockets
Russell + Lee --> Wolves
Crabbe + Culver + Jackson + GSW #2 --> Magic
Gordon --> Mavericks
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:44 AM)JamesConway Wrote: Gotta be real here for a second: Seth is good and on a good contract, so is DFS, so is Delon, so is Maxi. But all of them should be available.
That's the issue: last summer we refused to take on salary for assets, but signed those guys instead. Their contracts are the bargaining chips now if we want to get upgrades.
I wouldn't give Maxi even for one of the sugarplum crew. Too valuable to the team. I have him as our second-most untouchable player in trade after Luka (of course KP is still our number two guy, but I would trade him if we could get a juicy package in return due to the size of his contract plus injury concerns). If he's the price of doing business, I keep him and see what happens.
(02-03-2020, 10:19 AM)fifteenth Wrote:(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:
I'm in. Sorry DP.
Can't access the piece. What's the proposed deal for Gordon?
Day t-minus 4 and counting.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Mapka - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
That's another capology question. In any event, I think RHJ is going to command at least $5 mil per, if not more than that. Other teams have the MLE as well.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - ClutchDirk - 02-03-2020
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1224373268938928129
https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1224374275571879938
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - SkenfromLMF - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
You would get the nonQFA . WCS can get $2.61 million IF he opts out and gets a NQFA contract. RHJ would be about 3 million to start on the NQFA
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Kammrath - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:
AG is 86 percentile as the roll man this year (but he doesn't do it often) and was 83 percentile a couple years ago. I think the potential is there for him.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Mapka - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 11:47 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
That's another capology question. In any event, I think RHJ is going to command at least $5 mil per, if not more than that. Other teams have the MLE as well.
Makes sense - our best offer would than be something over 6 Mio for 2 years with a PO ...
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:07 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
You would get the nonQFA . WCS can get $2.61 million IF he opts out and gets a NQFA contract. RHJ would be about 3 million to start on the NQFA
Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Mavs2019 - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:Sounds like they want to keep him till the summer with the injuries to Isaac/Aminu. Nevertheless it seems clear that they have made their decision regarding who to trade and who to keep.
It´s just that we have no real need for Gordon, unless we trade Powell. And that´s basically the case for all above average frontcourt players. We can´t mess up our pay structure that way.
What I like is that the way our picks are trending, we should be able to get a player of the Gordon or LaVine quality with the picks alone, while not touching the bargain contracts of DFS, Kleber, Brunson and Curry. Proven young players with a little bit of a stink on them for playing on shitty franchises like Orlando, Minnesota and Chicago.
(02-03-2020, 12:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:Why would they? Guys like Kanter, Baynes, Theis, Noel or Holmes got $5M or less last summer.(02-03-2020, 12:07 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
You would get the nonQFA . WCS can get $2.61 million IF he opts out and gets a NQFA contract. RHJ would be about 3 million to start on the NQFA
Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - omahen - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
Why? RHJ just signed basically minimum deal in the summer and he didn't really improve from last season. Still can't shoot. WCS is similar story. Unless he puts Capella like numbers, I don't see him reach above 4-5 mil per.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - ClutchDirk - 02-03-2020
https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/1224380744103071747
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:18 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-03-2020, 12:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
Why? RHJ just signed basically minimum deal in the summer and he didn't really improve from last season. Still can't shoot. WCS is similar story. Unless he puts Capella like numbers, I don't see him reach above 4-5 mil per.
WCS is, rightfully, our starting center, or at least a big-minute bench guy, moving forward. RHJ would play big minutes here. Don't see why they would be that cheap, but would love to be wrong.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - omahen - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: RHJ would play big minutes here
No he wouldn't. He would play Jackson minutes
(02-03-2020, 12:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: WCS is, rightfully, our starting center
You sure?
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:01 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1224373268938928129
I think they're just being coy on Iggy to keep his price low (not a whole lot of other suitors who can take on his contract, and buying him out is an issue). Re: RoCo, the other suitors have them pummeled in terms of what they can offer, so there's not a whole lot of point in pursuing it.
(02-03-2020, 12:23 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-03-2020, 12:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: RHJ would play big minutes here
No he wouldn't. He would play Jackson minutes
(02-03-2020, 12:21 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: WCS is, rightfully, our starting center
You sure?
Of course he is, except when they're playing five out. His competition is Powell, and it will be a basketball miracle if the athleticism-based DP comes back from the Achilles as anything better than an 11th man. Re: RHJ, he wouldn't play the minutes Jackson has now, but the minutes they had him slotted for at the beginning of the season before he started to bust.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - Mapka - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-03-2020, 12:07 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
You would get the nonQFA . WCS can get $2.61 million IF he opts out and gets a NQFA contract. RHJ would be about 3 million to start on the NQFA
Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
Won't speculate about salaries - they seem always so random to me
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - IamDougieFresh - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 11:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Can't access the piece. What's the proposed deal for Gordon?
It's more of a video on how the Magic aren't properly using AG. They mention the Mavs as a team he would be great on, but there isn't a specific trade proposal.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | Stein: Mavs not actively bidding on Roco (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 12:32 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Can't access the piece. What's the proposed deal for Gordon?
It's more of a video on how the Magic aren't properly using AG. They mention the Mavs as a team he would be great on, but there isn't a specific trade proposal.
Thanks!
(02-03-2020, 12:28 PM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 12:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-03-2020, 12:07 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote:(02-03-2020, 11:45 AM)Mapka Wrote:(02-03-2020, 09:09 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.Wouldn't we have at least Non-Bird-rights?
You would get the nonQFA . WCS can get $2.61 million IF he opts out and gets a NQFA contract. RHJ would be about 3 million to start on the NQFA
Those sound like too-good-to-be-true prices for a couple of rotation players. They'll cost more than that this summer - unless the Mavs really abuse WCS's desire to play in Texas and his liking of the Mavs.
Won't speculate about salaries - they seem always so random to me
Cf. Matthews, Wesley; Powell, Dwight.
If the Mavs do acquire a wing, I strongly believe that Justin has to be part of the outgoing. Perhaps Lee and Justin plus cash or a future low second for MKG.