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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - omahen - 02-02-2020
Looking at Chicago, they could be a TDL partner with that horrible Porter contract, as we can afford to take it. I don't really see them giving up on their summer acquisitions.
Dal: Porter, Dunn, Valentine
Chi: Lee, Wright, Jackson
Utilize TE to make salaries work.
Chicago gets off the Porter contract and gets some flexibility in the summer. Wright is a better offensive player than Dunn. Jackson is a cheap wing option under contract for one more season.
Dallas gets good 3-D wing in Porter if he can remain healthy. Dunn is a third string PG and defensive specialist - he is better defensively than Wright but worse offensively. Could be an asset against Lillards and Hardens of the world. Valentine is an instant off the bench scorer, was very decent last season but took step back in this one. Perhaps a change of scenery would help. Can shoot the three very well and drive to the basket. All three are still young enough and have room to grow. Dunn and Valentine are expiring and might be they don't have a future in Chicago. All in all, Dallas is not giving away a lot but potentially gets important pieces. Bench will be even stronger and minutes even more difficult to give - a problem to be solved in summer.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Baller AI - 02-02-2020
Honsetly fuck the wolves, if they really delusional enough to think ROCO (slightly better wes matthews) is worthy of 2 first rounders, end convos. If they want to waste his career let them. I'm fine with Iggy if we don't throw our GS pick for a half season rental of him. And I guess MKG or RHJ is a nice fallback option to add some depth and maybe we improve their play. But yea as much as I like ROCO, hes overrated. I honestly think hes a THJ level of player, just with different strengths.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 07:44 PM)omahen Wrote: Dallas gets good 3-D wing in Porter if he can remain healthy. Dunn is a third string PG and defensive specialist - he is better defensively than Wright but worse offensively. Could be an asset against Lillards and Hardens of the world. Valentine is an instant off the bench scorer, was very decent last season but took step back in this one. Perhaps a change of scenery would help. Can shoot the three very well and drive to the basket. All three are still young enough and have room to grow. Dunn and Valentine are expiring and might be they don't have a future in Chicago. All in all, Dallas is not giving away a lot but potentially gets important pieces. Bench will be even stronger and minutes even more difficult to give - a problem to be solved in summer.
Wright, in spite of some posters' claims to the contrary, is an asset. I won't give an asset for Porter's contract.
(02-02-2020, 07:51 PM)Baller AI Wrote: Honsetly fuck the wolves, if they really delusional enough to think ROCO (slightly better wes matthews) is worthy of 2 first rounders, end convos. If they want to waste his career let them. I'm fine with Iggy if we don't throw our GS pick for a half season rental of him. And I guess MKG or RHJ is a nice fallback option to add some depth and maybe we improve their play. But yea as much as I like ROCO, hes overrated. I honestly think hes a THJ level of player, just with different strengths.
While I think that's a shock-value slam, I think our chances of landing RoCo have gotten pretty low. Re: RHJ and MKG, after having done research on their performance in recent years and their contracts, I find it rather hilarious that they're mentioned in the same sentence. MKG should cost Lee and a future pseudo-second and maybe some cash. RHJ would cost probably at least two valuable assets.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - omahen - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wright, in spite of some posters' claims to the contrary, is an asset. I won't give an asset for Porter's contract.
He has a neutral value imho. He is not good enough to be leading PG for anyone hoping to become a contender. Porter can be very good - it is a risk but worth taking. At worst he is large expiring in the summer, so we don't need to use THJ to match salaries when hunting that third star.
(02-02-2020, 07:51 PM)Baller AI Wrote: Honsetly fuck the wolves, if they really delusional enough to think ROCO (slightly better wes matthews) is worthy of 2 first rounders, end convos.
It is not about what we can offer, it is about what others can. And Woj showed a possibility for Houston to acquire a wing like RoCo and they might actually pay 2 firsts (one from Atlanta for Capella and one of their own). Similar math can go for Gallo.
(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: RHJ would cost probably at least two valuable assets.
Paying assets for RHJ would be the ultimate admission by the Mavs that summer was a total bust. They could have gotten him so easily in the summer. I will be really surprised if they go this way.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-02-2020
By the way, I rescind my prior edict that the Mavs have to acquire another big after WCS. They should be fine with what they have - ***if*** RC can be persuaded to play Bobi in every game that any of KP, Maxi, or WCS misses, regardless of matchups.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 08:16 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: RHJ would cost probably at least two valuable assets.
Paying assets for RHJ would be the ultimate admission by the Mavs that summer was a total bust. They could have gotten him so easily in the summer. I will be really surprised if they go this way.
I don't think there's a reasonable argument (although Clutch and Fif have tried) that it wasn't a total bust.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - fifteenth - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 10:11 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I don't think there's a reasonable argument (although Clutch and Fif have tried) that it wasn't a total bust.
downvote
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 10:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote:(02-02-2020, 10:11 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I don't think there's a reasonable argument (although Clutch and Fif have tried) that it wasn't a total bust.
downvote
LOL
In all seriousness, come on, man. Everyone on here agreed that what we needed out of the offseason were starters. Until the Powell injury, all five of our regular starters were guys who were here last year. That's a binary fail, period.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - StepBackJay - 02-02-2020
Zero way Mavs would give up assets for RHJ. He would be free this summer to pursue.
As for Rox turning Capella into RoCo somehow that would be pretty interesting. They already gave up 2 firsts and 2 swaps to dump Paul so not sure they have any firsts they control for a long time.
If they did send Capela to Atlanta there could be a 3 way that netted Wolves RoCo. I think that would be a winner for Rox bc they can replace the center position more easily than they can find a 3D wing.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Scott41theMavs - 02-02-2020
(02-02-2020, 08:16 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wright, in spite of some posters' claims to the contrary, is an asset. I won't give an asset for Porter's contract.
He has a neutral value imho. He is not good enough to be leading PG for anyone hoping to become a contender. Porter can be very good - it is a risk but worth taking. At worst he is large expiring in the summer, so we don't need to use THJ to match salaries when hunting that third star.
Porter doesn't expire this summer, but next summer. His contract is elephantine. He's hurt a lot and has not looked good when he played. Wright is a tradeable piece, whereas Porter is a massive albatross just a couple of steps removed from John Wall. I do not give Wright in a package for Porter unless Markannen, WCJ (dream), Satoransky, or Chicago's first is coming back with him.
(02-02-2020, 10:27 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Zero way Mavs would give up assets for RHJ. He would be free this summer to pursue.
So we're giving up on keeping WCS? I don't think the MLE can be split.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - SkenfromLMF - 02-03-2020
MLE's may be split: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25
Ultimately, the previous Summer will not be judged until the TPE expires or is used - I mentioned in March of last year that this would be a viable strategy for the Mavs to pursue (TPE + FULL MLE) over the summer, because I seriously doubted their ability to land a top level FA. When I was upset over the summer results it was due to 4 months of being told this was an asinine assertion - No Premier FA's, and a need to preserve the assets: NOW the other side of the shoes need to drop - I hate to say make a move to make a move, but there are about $16 million dollars worth of assets that will simply disintegrate in less than 5 days between Lee's contract and the usable balance of the TPE.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - Baller AI - 02-03-2020
(02-02-2020, 08:16 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wright, in spite of some posters' claims to the contrary, is an asset. I won't give an asset for Porter's contract.
He has a neutral value imho. He is not good enough to be leading PG for anyone hoping to become a contender. Porter can be very good - it is a risk but worth taking. At worst he is large expiring in the summer, so we don't need to use THJ to match salaries when hunting that third star.
(02-02-2020, 07:51 PM)Baller AI Wrote: Honsetly fuck the wolves, if they really delusional enough to think ROCO (slightly better wes matthews) is worthy of 2 first rounders, end convos.
It is not about what we can offer, it is about what others can. And Woj showed a possibility for Houston to acquire a wing like RoCo and they might actually pay 2 firsts (one from Atlanta for Capella and one of their own). Similar math can go for Gallo.
(02-02-2020, 07:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: RHJ would cost probably at least two valuable assets.
Paying assets for RHJ would be the ultimate admission by the Mavs that summer was a total bust. They could have gotten him so easily in the summer. I will be really surprised if they go this way.
I had Brunson above Wright as far as value, but recently Wright has played really well. I, and I think the Mavs, would like to keep them both here because they can play together, and Wright fits with Luka really well. Unless we are getting like CP3 or someone good back, they are probably off limits.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - DanSchwartzgan - 02-03-2020
(02-02-2020, 10:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: So we're giving up on keeping WCS? I don't think the MLE can be split.
Total, unmitigated, epic, unforgivable, binary (insert other Scott overly dramatic terms as appropriate
)...FAIL
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - StepBackJay - 02-03-2020
Having RHJ on your roster gives you no financial advantage this summer. You would not have bird rights so if Mavs swing for him it's just to try him out. They are not going to give up anything good for that.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - IamDougieFresh - 02-03-2020
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - fifteenth - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:
I'm in. Sorry DP.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - JamesConway - 02-03-2020
I still wish we would have signed D'Lo. Was a no-brainer over the summer and plenty of posters around here pointed that out. Early 20s, already an Allstar, good shooter and ballhandler, he would have been fun here. At worst we would have opened up a barrage of trade options.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - ClutchDirk - 02-03-2020
Some teams just aren’t a fit. Maybe their apples don’t meet your oranges. It really starts with you looking at your hand, what do you need, and is there a fit,” Nelson said. “We really like our young core and we’ve had success and want to give them the chance to grow together. But, we’re in the upgrade business and that’s the reality. You’re always having conversations, you’re always looking at who’s nipping at your heels behind you so that’s the state of where we’re at.
https://www.dallassportsfanatic.com/were-in-the-upgrade-business-mavericks-gm-donnie-nelson-on-the-process-of-the-nba-trade-deadline/
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - JamesConway - 02-03-2020
Gotta be real here for a second: Seth is good and on a good contract, so is DFS, so is Delon, so is Maxi. But all of them should be available.
That's the issue: last summer we refused to take on salary for assets, but signed those guys instead. Their contracts are the bargaining chips now if we want to get upgrades.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion | DAL has "kicked tires" on MKG & RHJ (TDL Feb 6) - IamDougieFresh - 02-03-2020
(02-03-2020, 10:19 AM)fifteenth Wrote:(02-03-2020, 10:05 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:
I'm in. Sorry DP.
Unfortunately, we have to assume that Dwight will never be the same. We have seen Wes and JJB come back from Achilles injuries here, but their games did not rely on athleticism. There is a really big chance he is never the same player. If Dwight wants to prolong his career, he will likely have to accept a reduced role. If we do ever get Dwight back, I don't see any problem with having all 4 of KP/Maxi/Gordon/Dwight.
Most importantly, RC can unlock AG. If Rick does so, Luka/THJ/DFS/AG/KP with whoever is left after a trade with ORL off the bench would be deadly.