(07-28-2020, 09:42 AM)fifteenth Wrote:

(07-27-2020, 10:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Eh, obviously you aren't trading Luka for anyone short of prime Kareem or Jordan, and you're only trading KP if you get three top 75 players in return. Seth and Maxi I only let go as part of a package for a top 50 player. Seth's uber-elite three point shooting and Maxi's big man three and D identity are that valuable. THJ and DFS are far more expendable. I like THJ, but it depends on the price of his extension, and if you can get a binarily better player - like Aaron Gordon, tbqdh - you trade him regardless. DFS, I like, and he has something of that Brad Davis quality in that we got him as an undrafted rookie and developed him into a marginal NBA playoff starter, but if you can get a better player back, then of course you trade him. What makes him seem a bit more valuable than he actually is is that he and THJ are our best wings. Horrors. Desperately need two superior players to fill those slots, and yes, AG is one of those guys.

Regarding Gordon vs DFS, I agree that it's clear that Gordon is the more naturally talented player, but that doesn't always make it obvious which player should play on our team. 

DFS operates as a hugely important glue guy who works really well with Luka and is knocking down his 3's. He fits great. Gordon's game, as it exists, isn't the game he'd play in Dallas. We wouldn't want him to play the game here that he plays in Orlando, including his 20% usage. 

Delon is an example of a player who is obviously a more talented player than DFS who isn't as productive and effective in Dallas. I'm sure other teams have situations like that. Fit is really important. A player's ability to fit into a role is really important. 

I want Gordon to come here, but it's because I think Rick can give him different stuff to do than what he does in Orlando. We don't want Orlando Gordon, we want a Rick converted Gordon. And we don't know if Gordon can make the transition. So there's risk involved. For that reason, I wouldn't trade DFS or THJ for him.

(07-28-2020, 04:16 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I tend to agree that Gordon fills a greater need (partially because Curry can handle SG and DFS can be the SF in a lineup with Gordon at the 4). THJ has clearly been better than Gordon in 19/20, but it is a closer call in years prior (and there is the age thing).

But, we don’t completely control THJ and Orlando has two pretty good SG’s. Maybe Fournier opts out and gets signed by Atlanta? In that case, maybe Orlando wants Hardaway. If not, are saying Orlando would play Tim at the 3? Fournier at the 2? I’ve yet to see a sure-fire match between Dallas and Orlando.

(07-28-2020, 04:31 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:

(07-28-2020, 04:16 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I tend to agree that Gordon fills a greater need (partially because Curry can handle SG and DFS can be the SF in a lineup with Gordon at the 4).  THJ has clearly been better than Gordon in 19/20, but it is a closer call in years prior (and there is the age thing).

But, we don’t completely control THJ and Orlando has two pretty good SG’s.  Maybe Fournier opts out and gets signed by Atlanta?  In that case, maybe Orlando wants Hardaway.  If not, are saying Orlando would play Tim at the 3?  Fournier at the 2?  I’ve yet to see a sure-fire match between Dallas and Orlando.

You must have missed how they're going to want all of our junk, then, hee hee.

(07-28-2020, 05:34 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Gordon´s contract is nice, but Orlando´s situation is not.

(07-28-2020, 05:34 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Gordon´s contract is nice, but Orlando´s situation is not.

In 2021 somebody is coming with that max offer for KG Junior, so you can already pencil in Isaac for $27M. Fournier is an UFA and Fultz is a RFA.

Isaac 27
Vucevic 24
Gordon 16
Ross 12
Aminu 10
Bamba 8

That´s $97M in salaries and they have one (6th man) guard on the roster.

(07-29-2020, 01:55 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Timberwolves or Mavs as the most likely destination. Already 29 years old but probably a top 3 current international player that has never tried his luck in the NBA.
Best NBA comparisation would probably be a worse Kyle Lowry or some kind of mix between Rubio and Beverley. Good defender with quick hands. Solid shooter but more of a pass first PG. Struggles to score in the paint.

(07-29-2020, 02:24 PM)omahen Wrote:

(07-29-2020, 01:55 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Timberwolves or Mavs as the most likely destination. Already 29 years old but probably a top 3 current international player that has never tried his luck in the NBA.
Best NBA comparisation would probably be a worse Kyle Lowry or some kind of mix between Rubio and Beverley. Good defender with quick hands. Solid shooter but more of a pass first PG. Struggles to score in the paint.

He can be exciting to watch, but I don't think he can be more than 3rd string PG in the league. I think he will be a defensive liability as he is small and light

(07-28-2020, 04:16 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I tend to agree that Gordon fills a greater need (partially because Curry can handle SG and DFS can be the SF in a lineup with Gordon at the 4).  THJ has clearly been better than Gordon in 19/20, but it is a closer call in years prior (and there is the age thing).

But, we don’t completely control THJ and Orlando has two pretty good SG’s.  Maybe Fournier opts out and gets signed by Atlanta?  In that case, maybe Orlando wants Hardaway.  If not, are saying Orlando would play Tim at the 3?  Fournier at the 2?  I’ve yet to see a sure-fire match between Dallas and Orlando.

(07-30-2020, 02:03 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Carlisle wants a swiss army knife forward similar to Marion 

(07-30-2020, 02:03 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: The only guy that fits that skillset is Gordon 

(07-30-2020, 02:03 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: I do not think we would have to part ways with that 18th pick maybe the 2nd and two out of Jackson, Wright, Brunson, and Finney Smith would get it done.

(07-30-2020, 02:03 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote:

(07-28-2020, 04:16 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I tend to agree that Gordon fills a greater need (partially because Curry can handle SG and DFS can be the SF in a lineup with Gordon at the 4).  THJ has clearly been better than Gordon in 19/20, but it is a closer call in years prior (and there is the age thing).

But, we don’t completely control THJ and Orlando has two pretty good SG’s.  Maybe Fournier opts out and gets signed by Atlanta?  In that case, maybe Orlando wants Hardaway.  If not, are saying Orlando would play Tim at the 3?  Fournier at the 2?  I’ve yet to see a sure-fire match between Dallas and Orlando.

Carlisle wants a swiss army knife forward similar to Marion 

The only guy that fits that skillset is Gordon 

I do not think we would have to part ways with that 18th pick maybe the 2nd and two out of Jackson, Wright, Brunson, and Finney Smith would get it done.

(07-30-2020, 01:12 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2020/7/29/21346622/bulls-players-concerned-arent-being-heard-by-new-front-office

(07-30-2020, 09:07 AM)michaeltex Wrote:

(07-30-2020, 02:03 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote:

(07-28-2020, 04:16 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I tend to agree that Gordon fills a greater need (partially because Curry can handle SG and DFS can be the SF in a lineup with Gordon at the 4).  THJ has clearly been better than Gordon in 19/20, but it is a closer call in years prior (and there is the age thing).

But, we don’t completely control THJ and Orlando has two pretty good SG’s.  Maybe Fournier opts out and gets signed by Atlanta?  In that case, maybe Orlando wants Hardaway.  If not, are saying Orlando would play Tim at the 3?  Fournier at the 2?  I’ve yet to see a sure-fire match between Dallas and Orlando.

Carlisle wants a swiss army knife forward similar to Marion 

The only guy that fits that skillset is Gordon 

I do not think we would have to part ways with that 18th pick maybe the 2nd and two out of Jackson, Wright, Brunson, and Finney Smith would get it done.

I would suggest that DFS is growing into that role. The biggest question is whether he will continue to progress or do you give up and bring in a new body? I'm not opposed to Gordon. I like what I've seen when they play DAL, I just question whether he's enough of an upgrade to be worth investing assets to bring him in.