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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 02-12-2020
(02-12-2020, 08:36 PM)LukstapsPorzingic Wrote: I don't think we can justify $20M/yr given his defense.
Then you definitely can't justify Buddy Hield at what his salary is about to be.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 02-12-2020
(02-12-2020, 02:13 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-12-2020, 02:08 PM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/1227669820176584705?s=20
So... who was the trade and extend guy?
Best thing about that is that it shows a willingness not to play the Plan Powder game for 2021.
By rule, it is a pretty limited group. As others have pointed out, Gallo makes sense. Same with DeRozan. The low dollar RFA types don't make sense as the rules would limit their pay too much. The option guys like Fournier wouldn't be eligible yet.
Basically it would be someone who is a clean UFA this summer and already making good money as any raise would be limited. Besides the two named already, the other possibilities that immediately come to mind are Whiteside, Millsap, Morris, Gasol, Ibaka, Thompson, Dragic and Favors. Take out the centers and it is Gallo, DeRozan, Millsap, Morris and Dragic.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-12-2020
(02-12-2020, 11:22 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(02-12-2020, 02:13 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-12-2020, 02:08 PM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/1227669820176584705?s=20
So... who was the trade and extend guy?
Best thing about that is that it shows a willingness not to play the Plan Powder game for 2021.
By rule, it is a pretty limited group. As others have pointed out, Gallo makes sense. Same with DeRozan. The low dollar RFA types don't make sense as the rules would limit their pay too much. The option guys like Fournier wouldn't be eligible yet.
Basically it would be someone who is a clean UFA this summer and already making good money as any raise would be limited. Besides the two named already, the other possibilities that immediately come to mind are Whiteside, Millsap, Morris, Gasol, Ibaka, Thompson, Dragic and Favors. Take out the centers and it is Gallo, DeRozan, Millsap, Morris and Dragic.
Wonder why Gallo wouldn't want to play here, given that it sounded like the player was the issue. I'm thinking that Iggy figured out that he could get that win-the-lottery contract with Miami and turned down a reasonable extension with the Mavs.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - cow - 02-12-2020
Gallo wants one last big payday and probably realized that wasn't in the cards in Dallas.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 02-12-2020
(02-12-2020, 11:26 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-12-2020, 11:22 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(02-12-2020, 02:13 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(02-12-2020, 02:08 PM)JamesConway Wrote: https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/1227669820176584705?s=20
So... who was the trade and extend guy?
Best thing about that is that it shows a willingness not to play the Plan Powder game for 2021.
By rule, it is a pretty limited group. As others have pointed out, Gallo makes sense. Same with DeRozan. The low dollar RFA types don't make sense as the rules would limit their pay too much. The option guys like Fournier wouldn't be eligible yet.
Basically it would be someone who is a clean UFA this summer and already making good money as any raise would be limited. Besides the two named already, the other possibilities that immediately come to mind are Whiteside, Millsap, Morris, Gasol, Ibaka, Thompson, Dragic and Favors. Take out the centers and it is Gallo, DeRozan, Millsap, Morris and Dragic.
Wonder why Gallo wouldn't want to play here, given that it sounded like the player was the issue. I'm thinking that Iggy figured out that he could get that win-the-lottery contract with Miami and turned down a reasonable extension with the Mavs.
Might have been that we weren't offering any more years than Miami. Just speculation. We don't even know it was him (though he makes sense).
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - cjeter24 - 02-13-2020
After the report today on Aaron Gordon I have a strong suspicion the mavs may have been close to trading for him.
First off Gordon isn’t in the magic long term plans.
AG has been pretty awful this year. His trade value has cratered. And from the sounds of it magic couldn’t get much at all for him.
I think they decided to pull the plug on a deal to try and get some actual value out of him this summer if he turns it around.
Why the mavs tho? Ag is a Duffy guy. Luka and Ag could possibly be a fantastic combo together if AG pnr game holds up under large volume. AG can potentially provide the Dwight Powell role with good 3 pt shooting when he’s going.
But as we know mavs didn’t want to give up young guys. Warriors 2nd is solid but I’m thinking not enough for the magic to pull a deal.
However, Mavs will be able to offer a slightly better pick this summer when they can trade their first. Maybe they even offer the warriors 2nd too.
If the market is as expected, I’m strongly thinking the Mavs will be trading for Gordon this summer barring some other home run going the mavs way.
1st plus Wright and Jackson makes the money work. Mavs still basically have a first round pick with gs.
Mavs replace those guys with a sf or big defensive guard on the full mid level or part of. Crowder, maybe Dunn, RHJ
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - SkenfromLMF - 02-13-2020
I get the feeling watching tonight's Game live that Brunson is the piece to move. He seems to struggle in finding his game when Luka is on the floor.
Wright may not be a perfect fit with Luka, but he is more versatile in filling roles, and the way that Luka plays being role flexible is a priority.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - cow - 02-13-2020
(02-13-2020, 12:40 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: I get the feeling watching tonight's Game live that Brunson is the piece to move. He seems to struggle in finding his game when Luka is on the floor.
Wright may not be a perfect fit with Luka, but he is more versatile in filling roles, and the way that Luka plays being role flexible is a priority.
Brunson's trade stock has to be up if you consider how well he's done when Luka has missed games. I'm not sure the Mavs will shop him this summer but on draft night Brunson, our 1st and GSW's 2nd are our best assets. I hope we hang onto our future first until at least one of the owed NY picks conveys.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - fifteenth - 02-13-2020
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-almost-made-2-really-big-trades-before-nba-deadline-says-cuban
I'm sure that posting an article about Mavs trades that almost happened will get some eye rolls, but there's an interesting tidbit I think.
Cuban said:
"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
So who would be the "trade and extend" candidates? Seems like they might re-start that conversation in the off-season.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Jym - 02-13-2020
(02-13-2020, 02:00 PM)fifteenth Wrote: https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-almost-made-2-really-big-trades-before-nba-deadline-says-cuban
I'm sure that posting an article about Mavs trades that almost happened will get some eye rolls, but there's an interesting tidbit I think.
Cuban said:
"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
So who would be the "trade and extend" candidates? Seems like they might re-start that conversation in the off-season.
I could see Gallinari with one extra year guaranteed but he wanted more of a commitment
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 02-13-2020
(02-13-2020, 02:07 PM)Jym Wrote:More likely Igoudala. 15M for 2 years for a 36 year old that hasn´t played basketball in a year. No thank you. With the tight cap, you probably get a lot more value for the MLE and below (without giving up any assets.(02-13-2020, 02:00 PM)fifteenth Wrote: https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-almost-made-2-really-big-trades-before-nba-deadline-says-cuban
I'm sure that posting an article about Mavs trades that almost happened will get some eye rolls, but there's an interesting tidbit I think.
Cuban said:
"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
So who would be the "trade and extend" candidates? Seems like they might re-start that conversation in the off-season.
I could see Gallinari with one extra year guaranteed but he wanted more of a commitment
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 02-13-2020
(02-13-2020, 02:00 PM)fifteenth Wrote: https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-almost-made-2-really-big-trades-before-nba-deadline-says-cubanOlynyk.
I'm sure that posting an article about Mavs trades that almost happened will get some eye rolls, but there's an interesting tidbit I think.
Cuban said:
"They were both three-team deals,'' he said. "In one case, it was a trade-and-extend, (but) we couldn't get the player to agree on terms. In the other case, one of the teams decided they didn't want to trade a key guy to make it happen.''
So who would be the "trade and extend" candidates? Seems like they might re-start that conversation in the off-season.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Lui41 - 02-14-2020
The sign and extend may possibly be for Andre Iguodala, and the other is for Danny Green, in which the Lakers refused to include Slim Shady in the trade.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-14-2020
Had a fever dream idea...
Hear me out. This offseason trade Dwight Powell for Kevin Love, and have Love come off the bench. He'd be the most expensive 6th man ever, but he'd be the knockdown stretch big with terrific rebounding we all wanted from Powell. The defense is a wash. Love could fit next to either Maxi or KP, and the Mavs would have a super rotation of KP/Maxi/Love where all 3 can rebound and shoot 3's, with 2 providing elite defense.
It'd be a creative way to get off of Powell's contract. And I'm sure Love could be had for as little as Powell+Jackson.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 02-14-2020
(02-14-2020, 06:34 AM)Lui41 Wrote: The sign and extend may possibly be for Andre Iguodala, and the other is for Danny Green, in which the Lakers refused to include Slim Shady in the trade.
For the sake of this summer, I really hope Cuban's definition of "really big" is something greater than Iggy and Green.
IGT: Olynyk doesn't fit the rules (at least not yet) for an extend and trade. He certainly could have been part of the other trade where a team didn't want to give up a key player.
As I said in a prior post, the extend and trade guy has to be expiring (no options) and is probably a fairly highly paid UFA this summer. Good RFA's (and low dollar UFA's) will make more if they wait as there is a limit to the amount someone can be paid in the extension part.
If we are looking ahead to the summer, we probably have to take into account who we were willing to trade (reportedly Wright and Jackson) to see where the outgoing salary might land. Those two will get you to the $19 million area in terms of returning players. One of the reasons we may have kept Lee over R.F.A. is he can help "manufacture" more outgoing salary than the minimum wage guys. If you need an additional $3-$5 million in outgoing salary, you can S&T Lee at that level. You can't do that with Broekhoff.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - HanspardsShowerVoice - 02-14-2020
(02-13-2020, 12:14 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: After the report today on Aaron Gordon I have a strong suspicion the mavs may have been close to trading for him.
First off Gordon isn’t in the magic long term plans.
AG has been pretty awful this year. His trade value has cratered. And from the sounds of it magic couldn’t get much at all for him.
I think they decided to pull the plug on a deal to try and get some actual value out of him this summer if he turns it around.
Why the mavs tho? Ag is a Duffy guy. Luka and Ag could possibly be a fantastic combo together if AG pnr game holds up under large volume. AG can potentially provide the Dwight Powell role with good 3 pt shooting when he’s going.
IMHO, Gordon is the perfect 4 to pair with Luka and KP. To me he's very much like Shawn Marion before he came to the Mavs. You narrow down the scope of what he's previously been asked to do as a marquee player on his previous teams, and let get him focus on what he can do extremely well as a supporting role player. In this case, he can be a guy who can switch defend 1-5 and provide Powell caliber rim running on offense and bump his 3 point shooting up like you've done with THJ and DFS. You completely take the midrange offense out of his game, which is a weakness. He's also a sneaky good passer and playmaker. Zach Lowe when talking about Gordon always mentions that there are several teams always working to get him off the Magic because they see that player in him. I suspect it's all the strong analytic driven front offices, including the Mavs.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 02-14-2020
(02-14-2020, 08:54 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote:(02-13-2020, 12:14 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: After the report today on Aaron Gordon I have a strong suspicion the mavs may have been close to trading for him.
First off Gordon isn’t in the magic long term plans.
AG has been pretty awful this year. His trade value has cratered. And from the sounds of it magic couldn’t get much at all for him.
I think they decided to pull the plug on a deal to try and get some actual value out of him this summer if he turns it around.
Why the mavs tho? Ag is a Duffy guy. Luka and Ag could possibly be a fantastic combo together if AG pnr game holds up under large volume. AG can potentially provide the Dwight Powell role with good 3 pt shooting when he’s going.
IMHO, Gordon is the perfect 4 to pair with Luka and KP. To me he's very much like Shawn Marion before he came to the Mavs. You narrow down the scope of what he's previously been asked to do as a marquee player on his previous teams, and let get him focus on what he can do extremely well as a supporting role player. In this case, he can be a guy who can switch defend 1-5 and provide Powell caliber rim running on offense. Zach Lowe when talking about Gordon always mentions that there are several teams always working to get him off the Magic because they see that in him. I suspect it's all the strong analytic driven teams, including the Mavs.
I tend to agree that Gordon was probably the target where the third team was unwilling to give up a key piece. In other words, Orlando wasn't buying our package, but expiring Lee (and possibly our 2nd) to a third team would have provided another bit of value to go with our other outgoing salary (probably Wright).
The good news is this is an easy deal in July. Wright and Jackson are a salary match once AG drops to $18mm and Jackson bumps up to $5mm. It can be announced at the draft and we can even pick for Orlando assuming our first rounder is needed. We just can't finalize until after the moratorium unless we add a third player to make the 19/20 salaries match.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - michaeltex - 02-14-2020
(02-14-2020, 09:28 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:I haven't paid as much attention to the Magic this year, but is AG worth all that? I'm not opposed to the concept, I'm just asking if he's really a contributor or more of a role player. Some of the comments earlier in the discussion seem to indicate that he's not as central to the Magic success as everyone thought he would be. Wright should be a stronger contributor than he is and Jackson is spotty in his performance, but I see some potential in both given some time to grow within a stable group.(02-14-2020, 08:54 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote:(02-13-2020, 12:14 AM)cjeter24 Wrote: After the report today on Aaron Gordon I have a strong suspicion the mavs may have been close to trading for him.
First off Gordon isn’t in the magic long term plans.
AG has been pretty awful this year. His trade value has cratered. And from the sounds of it magic couldn’t get much at all for him.
I think they decided to pull the plug on a deal to try and get some actual value out of him this summer if he turns it around.
Why the mavs tho? Ag is a Duffy guy. Luka and Ag could possibly be a fantastic combo together if AG pnr game holds up under large volume. AG can potentially provide the Dwight Powell role with good 3 pt shooting when he’s going.
IMHO, Gordon is the perfect 4 to pair with Luka and KP. To me he's very much like Shawn Marion before he came to the Mavs. You narrow down the scope of what he's previously been asked to do as a marquee player on his previous teams, and let get him focus on what he can do extremely well as a supporting role player. In this case, he can be a guy who can switch defend 1-5 and provide Powell caliber rim running on offense. Zach Lowe when talking about Gordon always mentions that there are several teams always working to get him off the Magic because they see that in him. I suspect it's all the strong analytic driven teams, including the Mavs.
I tend to agree that Gordon was probably the target where the third team was unwilling to give up a key piece. In other words, Orlando wasn't buying our package, but expiring Lee (and possibly our 2nd) to a third team would have provided another bit of value to go with our other outgoing salary (probably Wright).
The good news is this is an easy deal in July. Wright and Jackson are a salary match once AG drops to $18mm and Jackson bumps up to $5mm. It can be announced at the draft and we can even pick for Orlando assuming our first rounder is needed. We just can't finalize until after the moratorium unless we add a third player to make the 19/20 salaries match.
BTW, who is our "core" group now? Those guys that, if not untouchable, would take a big pry bar to get them to another team.
Luka, KP for sure.
DFS, THJ, Powell, Maxi, Seth - Probably?
Brunson, Wright, JJ, Boban, JJacks - Outer Edge?
MKG, WCS - too early to tell?
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - IamDougieFresh - 02-14-2020
RC, Luka and KP will unlock AG!
Luka/THJ/DFS/AG/KP would be nuts!
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-14-2020
(02-14-2020, 09:49 AM)michaeltex Wrote: BTW, who is our "core" group now? Those guys that, if not untouchable, would take a big pry bar to get them to another team.
Luka, KP for sure.
DFS, THJ, Powell, Maxi, Seth - Probably?
Brunson, Wright, JJ, Boban, JJacks - Outer Edge?
MKG, WCS - too early to tell?
I would definitely move Brunson up a notch. Very good back-up PG for minimum salary should only be traded for a real catch.