(11-14-2020, 07:29 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know if you listened all the way to the end, but in the final few minutes they had a similar debate regarding the price of Chris Paul to the Suns.  Hollinger instantly went to  Rubio/Oubre/10 for Paul and 25.  Nate was like wait a minute here.  If I'm Phoenix, my offer is Rubio/Oubre and someone like Ty Jerome.  If OKC has a better offer, put your cards on the table.  Otherwise, we aren't bidding against ourselves.  

(11-14-2020, 07:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 07:29 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know if you listened all the way to the end, but in the final few minutes they had a similar debate regarding the price of Chris Paul to the Suns. Hollinger instantly went to Rubio/Oubre/10 for Paul and 25. Nate was like wait a minute here. If I'm Phoenix, my offer is Rubio/Oubre and someone like Ty Jerome. If OKC has a better offer, put your cards on the table. Otherwise, we aren't bidding against ourselves.

I did hear that. My takeaway was a confirmation of my logic that #10 was what OKC would be most interested in attaining.

I DID almost bring this thought here at some point the other day, but didn't: of the names rumored, Rubio has the most undesirable contract in terms of length (though it's not a terrible contract, imo). I can see the Mavs offering to take THAT contract as a means to get #10, in which case I'd probably give you guys the nod for being correct, even though Rubio ended up here.

But, I don't think that deal would get done.

(11-14-2020, 08:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wait a minute... the Heat want Wes Matthews????

Pat Riley is an intelligent GM. If there's a report out there that the Heat want Matthews, 100% it's a smokescreen.

(11-14-2020, 07:46 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: if #10 is changing hands, it's going to OKC

(11-14-2020, 08:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wait a minute... the Heat want Wes Matthews????

Pat Riley is an intelligent GM. If there's a report out there that the Heat want Matthews, 100% it's a smokescreen.

(11-14-2020, 08:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 07:46 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: if #10 is changing hands, it's going to OKC

This has always been my thinking, too, and I haven't seen anything that would convince me otherwise.

(11-14-2020, 07:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 07:29 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know if you listened all the way to the end, but in the final few minutes they had a similar debate regarding the price of Chris Paul to the Suns.  Hollinger instantly went to  Rubio/Oubre/10 for Paul and 25.  Nate was like wait a minute here.  If I'm Phoenix, my offer is Rubio/Oubre and someone like Ty Jerome.  If OKC has a better offer, put your cards on the table.  Otherwise, we aren't bidding against ourselves.  

I did hear that. My takeaway was a confirmation of my logic that #10 was what OKC would be most interested in attaining. 

I DID almost bring this thought here at some point the other day, but didn't: of the names rumored, Rubio has the most undesirable contract in terms of length (though it's not a terrible contract, imo). I can see the Mavs offering to take THAT contract as a means to get #10, in which case I'd probably give you guys the nod for being correct, even though Rubio ended up here. 

But, I don't think that deal would get done.

(11-14-2020, 08:04 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Wait a minute... the Heat want Wes Matthews????

Pat Riley is an intelligent GM. If there's a report out there that the Heat want Matthews, 100% it's a smokescreen.

(11-14-2020, 09:06 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 07:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 07:29 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I don't know if you listened all the way to the end, but in the final few minutes they had a similar debate regarding the price of Chris Paul to the Suns.  Hollinger instantly went to  Rubio/Oubre/10 for Paul and 25.  Nate was like wait a minute here.  If I'm Phoenix, my offer is Rubio/Oubre and someone like Ty Jerome.  If OKC has a better offer, put your cards on the table.  Otherwise, we aren't bidding against ourselves.  

I did hear that. My takeaway was a confirmation of my logic that #10 was what OKC would be most interested in attaining. 

I DID almost bring this thought here at some point the other day, but didn't: of the names rumored, Rubio has the most undesirable contract in terms of length (though it's not a terrible contract, imo). I can see the Mavs offering to take THAT contract as a means to get #10, in which case I'd probably give you guys the nod for being correct, even though Rubio ended up here. 

But, I don't think that deal would get done.

I realize you put the board on suicide watch for Rubio, but I LOVE him.  Been fantasy trading for him for 5-6 years.  I stopped with Luka here.  My concern is both Rubio and Luka are magic with the ball in their hands.  Rubio is also a good defender, but my worry is that off the ball you've taken away Ricky's superpower.

Then I dug deeper.  Rubio/Booker lineups are great.  So, he shares the spotlight just fine.  And, his corner and C&S 3's are actually pretty good these days (it's all the other 3's that he's still not good at).  He's also still a good on-the-ball defender.  Phoenix is 6.0 pp100 better on O when Ricky is in and 3.7 pp100 better on D.  That combined 9.7 is 7th best in the league (Millsap is #4 BTW).  

So, let's take Paul out of this and just talk Phoenix and Dallas.  DFS/Wright for Rubio saves them $4mm (cap room they could actually use...maybe FVV?).  It gets them a rotation guy at the 3/4 behind Bridges and Johnson in DFS and a third guard in Wright.  We know from the value charts that 18/31 is equal to about 13 or so.  Is it so hard to believe $4 million in space, and two good bench players on reasonable contracts in positions of need aren't worth the other three spots from 13 to 10?

If Rubio is the target of such a deal (pick or no pick), it makes the Millsap thing more palatable.  I don't think he comes here on a one year MLE.  Maybe a two and he and Rubio expire simultaneously?   Maybe cap room in 22 is a thing and we've taken on a couple of really good vets in Rubio and Millsap to transition us between now and then.

(11-14-2020, 09:06 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: I realize you put the board on suicide watch for Rubio, but I LOVE him.  Been fantasy trading for him for 5-6 years.  I stopped with Luka here.  My concern is both Rubio and Luka are magic with the ball in their hands.  Rubio is also a good defender, but my worry is that off the ball you've taken away Ricky's superpower.

Then I dug deeper.  Rubio/Booker lineups are great.  So, he shares the spotlight just fine.  And, his corner and C&S 3's are actually pretty good these days (it's all the other 3's that he's still not good at).  He's also still a good on-the-ball defender.  Phoenix is 6.0 pp100 better on O when Ricky is in and 3.7 pp100 better on D.  That combined 9.7 is 7th best in the league (Millsap is #4 BTW).  

So, let's take Paul out of this and just talk Phoenix and Dallas.  DFS/Wright for Rubio saves them $4mm (cap room they could actually use...maybe FVV?).  It gets them a rotation guy at the 3/4 behind Bridges and Johnson in DFS and a third guard in Wright.  We know from the value charts that 18/31 is equal to about 13 or so.  Is it so hard to believe $4 million in space, and two good bench players on reasonable contracts in positions of need aren't worth the other three spots from 13 to 10?

If Rubio is the target of such a deal (pick or no pick), it makes the Millsap thing more palatable.  I don't think he comes here on a one year MLE.  Maybe a two and he and Rubio expire simultaneously?   Maybe cap room in 22 is a thing and we've taken on a couple of really good vets in Rubio and Millsap to transition us between now and then.

(11-14-2020, 08:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Hmmmm I think I just talked myself into transitioning Giannis 2021 into Beal 2022. Plan Powder is back, baby.

(11-14-2020, 09:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 08:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Hmmmm I think I just talked myself into transitioning Giannis 2021 into Beal 2022. Plan Powder is back, baby.

I've been waiting for this to happen. Transitioning usually happens after the targetted offseason, but this is just as good. Now let's figure out the name in 2023.

(11-13-2020, 06:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:

(11-13-2020, 06:45 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: The thing lost in all this LaVine buzz here is that I don't know that the Mavs have anything the Bulls want.

Oladipo on the other hand I think is gettable, particularly if THJ is able to be packaged with 18.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/nba-rumors-oddsmakers-see-victor-oladipo-trade-to-dallas-mavs

I remember a report saying Ind doesn't really want picks though, they want players.

(11-14-2020, 09:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 09:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:

(11-14-2020, 08:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Hmmmm I think I just talked myself into transitioning Giannis 2021 into Beal 2022. Plan Powder is back, baby.

I've been waiting for this to happen. Transitioning usually happens after the targetted offseason, but this is just as good. Now let's figure out the name in 2023.

You don’t have to worry. Once Luka signs his extension, that ship has sailed. I think the only shots they’ll have at significant cap space (without blowing the team up) are next summer and possibly the year after. 

I don’t anticipate that they’ll tread water for even that long. 

Anyone they bring in with a multi-year deal, even a good one like Rubio’s, will be someone they believe can fit here long term. It will either mean they think they can work around the deal next summer or that they found a path they like enough to blow all of that off. I expect the former, but wouldn’t be shocked by the latter.

Quote:The Knicks were hoping to work out Killian Hayes before Wednesday’s draft, but a COVID-19 outbreak may prevent that from happening, according to Marc Berman of The New York Post. The team had to close its training facility in Tarrytown after three staff members tested positive for the virus on Tuesday.

New York will consider the French point guard with its No. 8 pick and he may be an even stronger possibility if the Knicks trade down. The team has collected plenty of information on Hayes, such as his measurements and medical records, and interviewed him via Zoom.

“Everyone saw the progress and a lot of changes to my game,’’ Hayes said. “What I really improved on, really, is my body. As soon as you see me, there’s a big difference and change from eight months ago to now. … The player that I was back in March is not the same player I am today. I’ve really leveled up a lot.”

Hayes turned 19 in July, making him one of the youngest players in the draft. However, he faced much older competition in Germany and says fellow Frenchmen Frank Ntilikina and Sekou Doumbouya have helped him prepare for the NBA.

“I learned a lot being able to leading a group of grown men,’’ Hayes said. “I’m used to playing against a lot of physicality. People coming at me. That will definitely help me.’’