(06-19-2024, 08:57 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Love your Avdija stats.

Could you enlighten those of us who weren't paying attention on how THJ/2nd is enough to get space AND Grimes?  I see no way this is enough.

(06-19-2024, 11:59 AM)michaeltex Wrote: Not trying to troll here, but...

What are the scenarios if DJJ gets bought away on a "Bruce Brown" deal and THJ is removed for air?

Using Hoop Hype date, that put's payroll at ~$158.7M, if you guarantee both Exum (6/22) and Hardy (6/30). Waiving both will get you another $5.2M ($3.1M and $2.1M respectively). Either way, well below the LT of $171.3M and well below the 1st apron of $178.6M.

It also opens up more FA signing opportunities, like SnT, doesn't it?

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to keep the gang together for another run, but I have an itchy feeling that DJJ is going to get a "godfather" offer he can't refuse, and not by DAL.

(06-19-2024, 11:37 AM)F Gump Wrote: I think the accuracy of this analysis hinges on whether the Mavs see DJJ as the guy they want. If they want him, then DJJ's preferences come into play, and he wants to return as long as they can work out a deal -- which means he's definitely open to NT MLE (since it is the biggest offer they can possibly put on the table) and maybe less (in a 1+1 scenario).

It remains to be seen if DJJ (or anyone else) gets the so-called Bruce Brown Deal this summer -- which was essentially a one-year overpay, with a TO for another year, to turn open cap room into a playable player, who can also be trade filler. I'm sure the concept will be a frequent talking point for this player or that, but that may have been a rare confluence of factors for Indy last summer (with it being a financial transition year due to the new CBA).  I can see DJJ maybe looking to become something like that if DAL cannot (or will not) offer him full NT MLE slot, but not sure he goes chasing that. I think he truly prefers to stay.

I also think the Mavs want to build on the strong defense model they used to get as far as they did, rather than tear it down, so I don't think DJJ is as expendable as others might think. If he goes, how do you fill that hole, and even upgrade him to a same-or-better defender who also can be a better shooter? There's definitely not an answer on the existing roster, and I think it's not an easy find, especially in the Mavs price range.

(06-19-2024, 12:35 PM)mvossman Wrote: So if we are ready to go all in on younger and better, how about we send Timmy + 25 (maybe protected) for Grimes, Send Green + 31 (unprotected) + Toronto second for Deni and re-sign DJJ.  We add youth, defense, shooting and shot creation.

(06-18-2024, 08:44 PM)Smitty Wrote: My top somewhat realistic trade target this off-season is Deni Avdija. He’s been a Mavs target for a while.

I’m sure it’ll take Green to get it done so Green+Hardy+FRP for Deni.

Then I would do the THJ + SRP for Grimes trade I brought up weeks ago. For all the reasons I posted.

The reason I’d add Hardy to the Deni trade is both Grimes and Hardy are extension eligible next year and Rich Paul is going to want the most playing time for Hardy - what better place than the Wiz.

It also leaves the Mavs with enough room to bring back DJJ.

Luka | Exum | VetMin - DSJ/Wright/Mclaughlin/Beverley/Dinwiddie/Payne
Kyrie | Grimes | Lawson
Deni | DJJ | Omax
PJW | Maxi | Morris
Lively | Gaff | Powell

*Grimes is a career 37% 3PT shooter on 5 attempts per game. Good defender.
*Deni is a 6’9 SF with a pretty complete game. Averaged 15/7/4 this year and good defense. Also a 37% 3PT shooter.

(06-19-2024, 12:55 PM)Smitty Wrote: I pretty much posted this last night. Sure, it could take more - which you added the extra FRP instead of Hardy. But you made a good point about youth...



Age

Luka 25 | Exum 28 | VetMin - DSJ/Wright/Mclaughlin/Beverley/Dinwiddie/Payne
Kyrie | Grimes 24 | Lawson 23
Deni 23 | DJJ 27 | Omax 21
PJW 25 | Maxi | Morris
Lively 20 | Gaff 25 | Powell

(06-19-2024, 12:36 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: How does that Bruce Brown contract look now?  I think that scenario (a career end of the rotation bench player becoming a contributor on a championship level team) has to be a buyer beware now.

(06-19-2024, 01:25 PM)Winter Wrote: I think this front office absolutely has to do something to address a rather anemic rotation. Throughout the playoffs, we occasionally got a Maxi, then maybe nobody, then Green maybe for a game, then Hardy for a couple, then nobody, ad infinitum. Even Exum was pretty weak. That's not a winning formula. There was no consistency.

They need to put some power into the rotation for next season. I can't see going into next season without addressing that.

(06-19-2024, 12:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: * Langdon was the GM that offered Tim 4/88M in '21
* Detroit as an organization have tried to trade for Tim in '15 when he was a Knick. And again last offseason, another rumored trade centered around Tim+ for Bogdanovic.
* Detroit was also among the serious suitors in '21, per multiple reports. 
* Tim is from Michigan and his dad was an assistant coach there.
* Langdon has expressed publicly that he wants to be competitive as early as next year and has been rumored to be interested in some of the bigger names this offseason. Tim can be viewed as a vet that fits in that transition and as an expiring can be another useful piece at the TDL, if needed.
* Buddy Hield (expiring) was traded to the Sixers for Korkmaz, McDermott, '24 SRP, '29 SRP, cash considerations. NOT apples to apples comparison here, plus a TDL deal.. - but as close as one can be to find some type of "value".
* The '25 SRP (TOR) is likely to be in the pick range of 31-39. It's not just a "throw-in" SRP.
* The previous coach and GM that traded for Grimes is no longer there. Mavs have been rumored to have interest in Grimes, per several reports.

My own personal opinion isn't the same as most here... I don't think it will take a FRP "just to get rid of Tim". I think there's a lot of smoke and connections with Detroit and that they might actually view him as a positive on the court and contract wise. Neutral at worst.

(06-19-2024, 01:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: You are talking about a very young team that just made the finals.  I'm not sure they need to do anything other than maybe retain DJJ.  Given their limited assets, you could make a strong argument that they should simply focus on holding on to him and improve around the edges.  But that's not very fun to talk about.

(06-19-2024, 01:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: You are talking about a very young team that just made the finals.  I'm not sure they need to do anything other than maybe retain DJJ.  Given their limited assets, you could make a strong argument that they should simply focus on holding on to him and improve around the edges.  But that's not very fun to talk about.

(06-19-2024, 02:55 PM)Winter Wrote: Very young? Maxi, Green, Hardway, and Powell have all been to the playoffs.