(06-09-2025, 07:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: It has to be relevant to the Kidd question that, according to every report, NY has not asked for permission to talk to Kidd. And DAL has expressed, per Stein, that they won't give NY permission to do so, if asked.

The speculation still swirls anyhow, but not sure what else the Mavs could, or should, do to put it to bed. If the Mavs aren't open to the idea, its 1000% dead no matter who else likes it.

(06-09-2025, 08:20 PM)Winter Wrote: Agree. What is the Mavs FO supposed to say publically if the Knicks never ask to begin with. 

"Just in case you guys ask about talking with our head coach, we won't let you?"

"and If you weren't going to ask, well.... never mind".

I don't think you make a public statement about a rumor.

(06-09-2025, 08:25 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: I think that's what the Rockets did though, right? There was just a rumor the Knicks wanted their coach and they unequivocally said they would not permit it. The Mavs were not quite as emphatic which is why speculation continued.

(06-09-2025, 08:36 PM)Winter Wrote: I didn't hear that about Houston, but maybe that's an option. You may be right.

It does sound weird though... that an organization responds to something that hasn't been asked. I mean it was pretty strange for the Knicks to target two coaches under contract to begin with. And we do know the Knicks organization is pretty weird from all reports, and, by the same token, the Mavs are relatively new to this.

And I suspect if Kidd were actually interested, we would more likely hear a rumor on that possibility too. Silence is really deadly for our rumor-starved brains.

(06-09-2025, 09:40 PM)loki Wrote: Kidd could have shut the speculation down immediately if he wasn't interested. At this point I think he either wants the Knicks job or is at least considering it. As others have mentioned, this would not be the first time he bailed on the Mavs.

(06-09-2025, 07:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: It has to be relevant to the Kidd question that, according to every report, NY has not asked for permission to talk to Kidd. And DAL has expressed, per Stein, that they won't give NY permission to do so, if asked.

The speculation still swirls anyhow, but not sure what else the Mavs could, or should, do to put it to bed. If the Mavs aren't open to the idea, its 1000% dead no matter who else likes it.

(06-10-2025, 02:15 AM)omahen Wrote: Stein actually (in his latest piece from yesterday) said that Mavs, neither formally or informally, didn't shut down the idea. Unlike Houston with Udoka. Seems like everyone is still feeling the situation and how to procceed.

(06-09-2025, 06:52 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: BTW, Donnie probably had to go.  It was time.  He had some duds.  But on his resume, he can list Dirk, Luka, Brunson, and supposedly pushing for Giannis.  Not bad.  I wonder if he is done in the NBA or if he would ever want to get back into the grind.  I would think some fanbases would overlook his mistakes if you could list those four names above.

(06-10-2025, 05:52 AM)F Gump Wrote: Are you citing this note, or a later one?
"I've heard from a few well-placed observers this week who believe that the Mavericks would ultimately do just that — just as the Rockets have made it clear they plan to do if the Knicks indeed tried to pursue Ime Udoka."

If Stein changed his note, the waffling is weird. (So is Mavs FO these days, of course.) Both are non-reports, of course, but Stein using the euphemism "well-placed observers" is one that very often is citing team officials who just don't want to be quoted or named.

(06-10-2025, 08:04 AM)omahen Wrote: Stein had several thoughts/information in this same article (his latest, yesterday evening Europe time):
- There is a belief among some within the Mavericks' organization that the Knicks will ultimately decide against taking the step of asking.
- I have likewise heard from a few well-placed skeptics who believe that the Knicks would be immediately shot down if they do ask.
- What can turn the volume down on that noise? The Mavericks could let it be known firmly, on or off the record, that Kidd is not available to any other team since he is under contract for the next two seasons. (Like we learned with the Rockets and their don't-even-try-it stance with Udoka in this story I published last Tuesday.)

I was reffering to the last item I listed above. Houston immediately shut down the option to consider allowing Udoka to interview for Knicks. Mavs didn't do that, just some unofficial vague beliefs.

(06-10-2025, 10:05 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Whether anything happens or not, move quick.

https://x.com/getupespn/status/1932444727787348202?s=46

(06-10-2025, 10:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Man, if Kidd leaves, Nico can't be far behind right?  i mean he should be gone.  Sort of late to make a move now, but it needs to be considered.  Dumont has a chance to do a complete reset whether they keep AD or not.  Get rid of Nico and it is all parades for the next several years.  The Luka trade gets pinned on Nico and the new GM can focus buidling the next contender.  He will have a open runway for a few years and it would be a fun spot to be in.  Where we are currently is the GM is afraid to speak/show himself, and I have no idea how that gets better.  Every time you see him, it creates a negative reaction of the guy who broke the fan trust and traded their adopted son.  Does that ever get better?

(06-10-2025, 01:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: I really disagree on this ^ thesis. 

I don't think Kidd (or ANY smart coach) -- nor any smart player, either -- should or would shut the door on teams who are interested in their services. Players and coaches alike are always one impulsive (maybe even stupid) management decision away from looking for their next job, and are smart to let interested people remain interested. No need to comment, just let it sit out there without commenting, because the fact that teams are interested in you is in your best interest for every team to know. Kidd has had to look for a new job before and has learned how it works. So we should not expect him to shut it down when it happens, to work against his own self interest.

In addition, Kidd can't actually speak to NY's interest (or his own) when there hasn't even been a public expression of interest by NY, nor a formal request to talk to him. 

At its core, this was actually a NY attempt to tamper via the media. Then that NY media swirled the waters, with it being further stirred by the usual like Windy who are long on comments and short on actual info beyond their own opinions on what makes sense. They will keep it alive until NY finds a coach not named Kidd.

If the Mavs GM had a clue on handling such things (sadly, he does not), he would gotten out in front of it, by either lodging a tampering complaint, or engaging NY aggressively in trade talks. His pathetically late and tepid response has done neither -- yet another blunder by the idiot GM making their decisions. If I'm a Mavs player, the continuous lack of effective FO leadership is unsettling.

Which is yet another reminder -- Nico's gotta go.