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RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - KillerLeft - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 07:56 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: For the short term, yes. But how long will AD hold up? He's out again with a abductor injury and won't play vs the Kings. That's the $64 dollar question. Lakers traded for Luka long term.
Exactly.
And, regardless of how smart/dumb anyone thinks Harrison is (my opinion has oscillated back and forth a great deal since he got the job) he doesn't do this if he thinks "long term Luka" is worth the investment. Period. About that point, will he be wrong, or will he be right? At the end of the day, that answer is all that's going to matter.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - Chicagojk - 02-09-2025
https://x.com/LegionHoops/status/1888747346240192982
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - HoosierDaddyKid - 02-09-2025
Harrison was the toast of the town last year when he traded for PJ and Gafford. Everybody was singing his praises. I even think he won Executive of the Year if I'm not mistaken. But he torpedoed all that in less than a year. Amazing..
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - BoredAssistant - 02-09-2025
I asked for it so I'm glad ownership at least said something.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - hakeemfaan - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 07:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Trying to understand their thinking isn't remotely close to "giving them a pass." They wanted AD. It's as simple as that.
Key word being "they."
Guys, if you want nothing but hate, and won't accept anything else, just skip my posts. I have repeatedly said I wouldn't have made this trade, and I'm as upset as the next guy. Attacking me or others who are attempting to move forward and discuss different viewpoints won't make you less angry and won't bring Luka back.
If they were worried about throwing the bidding process open because of the long explanation you gave (same which has been given before), I am saying that logic is dumb with a capital D. That is not an attack on you. Every decision has to be based on risk and reward. Even if you feel the risk is Luka walks away for less if all this comes out and they get even less than AD, any good GM would take that risk over the reward of a 32 year old AD and Max Christie.
AD is not a complement to this front line and trading Luka for him opens up more glaring holes with this roster than he fills up with his 2 way play. Any competent GM would see that. If they really wanted a win now move and go all in for two years, go bold and get Bron. I would not make that trade either but that one I would at least understand.
So yes to me it is annoying when someone suggests that not opening up the bidding is understandable. No it is not at all understandable when you look at it from a risk vs reward perspective. This trade doesn’t make us better in the short run. It certainly is not for the long term Anyone giving them a pass by saying they understand why the bidding was not opened, to end up with AD is missing the risk/reward analysis and is thereby knowingly or unknowingly condoning incompetent asset management.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - KillerLeft - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 08:40 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: So yes to me it is annoying when someone suggests that not opening up the bidding is understandable.
It is when you understand that for them, the goal was to get AD. That's all this was about. Not giving Luka the super max, and getting the very best win now player they could get. They decided that player was AD, and while it wouldn't have been my goal, I can't really identify a better win now player that they could've targeted. If forced to target a player, who would you have chosen?
Obviously, nobody on that short list of 5-7 superstars would've been given for Luka. Too much shakeup and uncertainty for anyone with a player on that list. So, the best you're going to do is the next tier. AD is pretty close to the top of that list, maybe the top guy on it, and they had a relationship with him already.
Not saying I agree with it, but Harrison's goal was to get AD, and so that's the team he dealt with.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 02-09-2025
I'm sure this has already been posted, but how would everyone have felt about an aggregate deal of:
Mavs trade Luka, DFS, Maxi and Morris
for
Kyrie, AD and Christie
If that trade had happened, I think it would've seemed slightly more palatable, but the fact that Nico had already won by buying Kyrie low, it makes him selling low or cheap on Luka look even worse.
The fact that the Lakers still had the assets to immediately swing over to Mark Williams is what pisses me off. If the Mavs had that and could use it to upgrade the backcourt, I think more of us could have accepted this deal as a redistribution of creating a more balanced team.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - Jym - 02-09-2025
I wonder if a team has ever turned down something as valuable as the Lakers' 2031 so they could keep the players involved in the dark
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - hakeemfaan - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 08:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It is when you understand that for them, the goal was to get AD. That's all this was about. Not giving Luka the super max, and getting the very best win now player they could get. They decided that player was AD, and while it wouldn't have been my goal, I can't really identify a better win now player that they could've targeted. If forced to target a player, who would you have chosen?
Obviously, nobody on that short list of 5-7 superstars would've been given for Luka. Too much shakeup and uncertainty for anyone with a player on that list. So, the best you're going to do is the next tier. AD is pretty close to the top of that list, maybe the top guy on it, and they had a relationship with him already.
Not saying I agree with it, but Harrison's goal was to get AD, and so that's the team he dealt with.
There is no best win now with AD. He doesn’t move the needle for this team. The best win now between Luka and AD with the rest of this roster is still Luka. Long term maybe Luka flames out soon but we know a 32 year old AD definitely is not the long term answer so either way it makes very little sense.
So if this was all about just not wanting to sign Luka to the supermax, as I said see if the Lakers give you Bron or just keep Luka with this current roster. This was the best roster he had played with and even if you want to let him go soon he would have given the team the best chance to win right now.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - KillerLeft - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 08:57 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: There is no best win now with AD. He doesn’t move the needle for this team. The best win now between Luka and AD with the rest of this roster is still Luka. Long term maybe Luka flames out soon but we know a 32 year old AD definitely is not the long term answer so either way it makes very little sense.
So if this was all about just not wanting to sign Luka to the supermax, as I said see if the Lakers give you Bron or just keep Luka with this current roster. This was the best roster he had played with and even if you want to let him go soon he would have given the team the best chance to win right now.
Sure, but all of that is your opinion. Some of it is also my opinion, but what I'm saying is that once you truly, seriously realize that it is NOT Nico Harrison's opinion, some of the dots start to connect.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - hakeemfaan - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 09:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sure, but all of that is your opinion. Some of it is also my opinion, but what I'm saying is that once you truly, seriously realize that it is NOT Nico Harrison's opinion, some of the dots start to connect.
It’s not opinion. Mine or yours. Look at how this roster is constructed. Swapping AD with Luka doesn’t give the team the best chance to win. AD can’t stretch the floor. The team already has two capable centers who can’t stretch the floor (maybe Lively one day develops a 3 pt shot. He is not there right now) PJ having to play SF and guard other SF. Much more shot creation and playmaking responsibilities on Kyrie who had happily moved to a secondary role where he was truly shining.
That’s not opinions. That’s just looking at this roster and saying yes AD gives you more defense but this roster is not a good fit for him if the price was Luka. So if the risk was we would lose out on even AD by opening up the bidding, most GMs would gladly take that risk.
If a GM can’t see that then fans will question his logic.
BTW I have to reiterate that none of this is hating on AD. He is an awesome player if he can stay healthy.His motor is a bit questionable but overall he is a wonderful player and seems like a great guy as well.As much as Inlike Lively, I would have given him up to get AD. That move would have helped the Mavs short term while giving the Lakers an intriguing young big man. That would have been a fair trade for a 32 year old AD.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - hakeemfaan - 02-09-2025
KL. Sorry you are correct. I am getting angry at mgmt and taking it out on good folks like you that I have known and respected for a long time. Sorry about that. I will continue to lurk but keep my negativity out.
As mentioned watching AD yesterday I came to the conclusion that my anger towards this current management will still never make me root against this team. Even if they are playing Luka. The Mavericks are my team and as a fan the players wearing their jerseys and playing hard will always have my support and backing. These are all good guys and are caught in this crossfire and I will back them on the court. Maybe it is a flaw and fans like us is why owners can take us for granted but I am too old to change team loyalties now.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - KillerLeft - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 09:14 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: Swapping AD with Luka doesn’t give the team the best chance to win.
I'm not making my point clearly enough. It's not about right now, this second.
Imagine you're Harrison, and you have DECIDED that Luka is an immature clown and will never, ever mature into the professional/leader you FULLY BELIEVE your team needs him to be. Forget what YOU believe, and try to really imagine believing that.
Then, imagine AD is one of the players you respect most in the entire world. You vehemently believe that his TWO-WAY ability is so rare that you think a championship team can be built around him, and more easily than it can be built around Luka, who, again, you've already DECIDED not to supermax. The clock is ticking.
Then, imagine you believe the team is pretty close to being in a place that COULD work around AD. Maybe 1-3 additional moves needed. And, if you can make those additional moves over the summer, you think next year's team will be better than it would be with Luka.
Remember, you're Harrison, and you have already decided Luka isn't getting the super max. If you try to offer him less, chaos ensues. If you try to shop him over the summer, when he and his agent are expecting the extension to come through the literal second new business starts, chaos ensues. Both of those paths completely decimate next season. So, if you can't move him (in the way you want, on your terms) at THIS trade deadline, you're basically obliged to offer that supermax extension, which, AGAIN, he and the owner really don't want to do. And, (this is the hard part to wrap your mind around) not because they're cheap. Because they do not believe that type of investment in Luka is the correct path for the franchise.
Then, imagine you've identified AD as the target you can actually get. You kicked the tires on Giannis (extreme long shot, because Milwaukee has to know Luka doesn't stay there long), that didn't work. With AD, there's a shot, but only in this one sliver of time.
Then, imagine that while for WE the fans, the nightmare is what we just saw happen, for Harrison, the Mavs' GM, who answers to ownership and thinks his team is close to winning a ring (suspend your disbelief here, please), the nightmare is waking up after the deadline with Coby White, Vucevic, 4 Chicago 1sts and 4 Chicago pick swaps. THAT is precisely what he was trying to avoid. It looks better on paper, but HE thinks AD makes them a contender. That package does not, period.
The Chicago hypothetical was tongue in cheek, but the second this gets leaked, you lock into a path where you're negotiating with whatever 2-3 teams Bill Duffy tells it's ok to make offers. Hey...maybe one of them is LA, anyway? But, if not and you're Harrison, you DON'T GET AD, which was the ENTIRE FREAKING POINT OF ALL OF THIS.
I don't know how else to say this: Harrison PREFERS Davis to Luka. That's just the bottom line.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - KillerLeft - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 09:23 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: KL. Sorry you are correct. I am getting angry at mgmt and taking it out on good folks like you that I have known and respected for a long time. Sorry about that. I will continue to lurk but keep my negativity out.
As mentioned watching AD yesterday I came to the conclusion that my anger towards this current management will still never make me root against this team. Even if they are playing Luka. The Mavericks are my team and as a fan the players wearing their jerseys and playing hard will always have my support and backing. These are all good guys and are caught in this crossfire and I will back them on the court. Maybe it is a flaw and fans like us is why owners can take us for granted but I am too old to change team loyalties now.
Dude, no hard feelings. Sorry if I got too defensive. No need to stop posting, because you're awesome and this place is better with you than without. It's totally reasonable that you're upset, I just want to be able to discuss this stuff without having to hire security like Harrison had to. I'm not advocating for what they've done, just trying to understand it.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - hakeemfaan - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 09:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Dude, no hard feelings. Sorry if I got too defensive. No need to stop posting, because you're awesome and this place is better with you than without. It's totally reasonable that you're upset, I just want to be able to discuss this stuff without having to hire security like Harrison had to. I'm not advocating for what they've done, just trying to understand it.
It’s all good brother.
Will get my AD jersey soon
As I said, I can’t root against this current bunch at all. Love Luka as long as he is not playing our team though tbh my fav non mavs player was and will still be Jokic. I just love everything about his game and style of play.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - fifteenth - 02-09-2025
I'm going to order an AD abdominal / groin support belt
I want to be able stay active and protect myself from injury in my old age
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - JamesConway912 - 02-09-2025
Random fact (not opinion):
the idea that trading for AD 40+ games into the season can be advertised as a „win now“ move is - sry - absolutely idiotic.
We talk about chemistry and continuity around here all the time when it comes to the nuances of building a championship team. You don’t throw that type of grenade into your locker room, change basically your entire offense in february and get to paint this as a move that helps you win immediately. Kyrie and Luka were a great fit but even those two needed some time together to figure out their roles. Growing pains are unavoidable under those circumstances.
There is not a single angle from where this trade makes sense. It’s already blowing up in their faces now with Davis getting injured (like he regularly does). We’ll be the AD New Orleans Pelicans soon. Some solid names on paper but ultimately outmatched in a brutal western conference.
And from 2027 to 2030 it will be even worse bc not even the tank will be able to give us any resemblance of hope.
Heck and by July Kyrie will have them backed into a corner. Without him this roster breaks down entirely. He’ll be able to demand everything from Harrison and Dumont during his contract negotiations. The moment he leaves there is no way for DAL to replace him.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - Jym - 02-09-2025
![[Image: UaRx8Ya.png]](https://i.imgur.com/UaRx8Ya.png)
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - JamesConway912 - 02-09-2025
Just read this on twitter:
If Davis misses 10+ games, it’ll be the seventh double-digit game absence over the last 7 seasons. Luka Dončić has one such absence in last 7 seasons.
https://x.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1888777016368824564?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers - Jym - 02-09-2025
So it's safe to say he was rushed back and he shouldn't have even been playing right?
Laker fans are saying the initial timeline for a return was longer