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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Okstate819 - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 09:30 AM)mvossman Wrote: I have several thoughts on this: (06-29-2021, 10:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m really enjoying the comments made by you and Omahen today. I thought his post was a brilliant approach to Team Patient. The possibility of the S&T of KP for Derozan is the most interesting option this offseason assuming Derozan is the target. Could you get SA to give you a 23 1st in the deal? Or some other asset at the very least. Either way getting off KP opens up the possibly of adding a Lowry or Conley as well. Then you can move Brunson for a rim protecting big. Maybe (M Robinson?) Lowry Luka Derozan DFS M Robinson RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - VintagePejav2 - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 12:17 PM)loki Wrote: I really want to trade KP for a playmaker and sign Holmes. But if KP is still here, I think Conley would be my preferred target. Either that or take a chance on THT. THT is pretty interesting and JKidd has first-hand experience coaching the guy… RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - SleepingHero - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 09:19 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I still think Green is a legit starter in this league and will be shocked if he doesn't figure it out and I love the flashes I have seen from Tyrell and Bey. Green a legit starter? You think he can be a top 150 player in the league? A tall order based on what we saw on this year alone. I will say out of all the rookies Green has the only legit chance of getting a 2nd contract. I am excited to see what an offseason can give him. I am curious though... what flashes have you seen from Tyrell that makes you excited? He played in 56 uninspiring garbage time minutes in 11 games, and then proceeded to have a mental breakdown of unknown cause. The 2020 draft was a resounding failure until proven otherwise. Especially since Saddiq Bey was right there. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 12:52 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Green a legit starter? You think he can be a top 150 player in the league? A tall order based on what we saw on this year alone. Green has as much defensive raw talent as I have seen in a long time. I think he will be a starter based on his D alone. I also saw lots of potential in his shooting stroke and his BBIQ (quickly making the right and smart play with or without the ball). His ceiling IMO is higher than anyone not named Luka and KP on the roster. I think his ceiling is as a "third star"....not saying that is LIKELY, but a possibility. Tyrell showed much more quickness off the dribble and getting to rim (and craftily finishing around the rim) than I anticipated. He also was legit on D, showing flashes of taking charges and playing like JJB on that end. I think the CEILING of all three of the drafted guys is as NBA starters....but the Mavs only need ONE of them to get there to have the draft be successful. Grabbing a starter in a draft is a win IMO, and then add the high ceilings and that is only frosting on the cake. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - fifteenth - 06-29-2021 I'm excited to see what all 4 of last year's rookies look like with an actual training camp and after a summer of working on their games. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:04 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Green has as much defensive raw talent as I have seen in a long time. I think he will be a starter based on his D alone. I also saw lots of potential in his shooting stroke and his BBIQ (quickly making the right and smart play with or without the ball). His ceiling IMO is higher than anyone not named Luka and KP on the roster. I think his ceiling is as a "third star"....not saying that is LIKELY, but a possibility. He can't be a starter based on defense alone. Defense only wings don't start in this league. If he can't shoot, can't play make and can't rim run, he has very little chance to start. He has shown some hints of having high BB IQ, but he does not have the handle to be a play making point guard. His ceiling is basically Lonzo. A versatile quality defender who can space the floor and make high BB IQ decisions. That would be awesome if he gets there, but he has a long ways to go. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Tyler - 06-29-2021 New management, new rumors. https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/dallas-mavericks/report-people-within-mavericks-organization-are-fans-of-kelly-oubre/ RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Okstate819 - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:44 PM)Tyler Wrote: New management, new rumors. Yea but kind of an old rumor and coming from Begley taken with a grain of salt. That being said, for the right price he could be a nice rotational piece. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Kammrath - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:44 PM)Tyler Wrote: New management, new rumors. I'm going to quickly hop off the wagon if these are the kind of evals they make..... Oubre has been BAD almost everywhere he has been from a fit and winning standpoint. I see the individual talent....but ugh. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - dirkfansince1998 - 06-29-2021 Not realistic but I am still hoping for a KP salary dump. If Harrison and Kidd are as good as we hope when it comes to recruting a fresh start with the max amount of capspace would be great. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:52 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Yea but kind of an old rumor and coming from Begley taken with a grain of salt. That being said, for the right price he could be a nice rotational piece. I have no interest. He was significantly outplayed by Wiggins this year. He is a great athlete that has never turned into much of a basketball player. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Okstate819 - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Not realistic but I am still hoping for a KP salary dump. If Harrison and Kidd are as good as we hope when it comes to recruting a fresh start with the max amount of capspace would be great. Totally agree. Would love to see something indicating SA and KP interest. I know Pop was infatuated before the Dallas trade. They seem like the only logical spot that would take on KP without sending back significant salary. With DeRozan likely out, they are in total rebuild mode and reclamation KP might have some appeal. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 12:17 PM)loki Wrote: I really want to trade KP for a playmaker and sign Holmes. Me too McCollum Hayward etc Would be ideal offseason to get that secondary playmaker from KP trade and still have $34 million in flexibility to fill out the roster. (06-29-2021, 01:44 PM)Tyler Wrote: New management, new rumors. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 02:03 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: Me too Agree. I would put DeRozan on the (bottom of) list as well. That would be the order of preference and reverse order of likelihood. In all three cases the ideal would probably be Holmes as center and Normal Powell (or Ball) as 3&D shooting guard. Those guys are actually a million or two cheaper (DeRozan more than that) than KP so you would have the room. Then the only "rotational" player you have on the starting lineup is DFS, and the other guys (Powell, Maxi, Brunson) are on the second unit where they are more effective. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - HanspardsShowerVoice - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 10:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I have issues with DeRozan also, but watching the amount of contact the ref’s just let slide in the playoffs, I think he needs to be the guy. It isn’t enough to just move the ball once Luka beats the double (which DeRozan can certainly do). You have to be able to get a shot off with a defender hanging on for dear life. DeRozan fits that bill better than most. His lack of a 3 pointer and poor defense are certainly a concern. But, I suspect scoring won’t be our issue if we have Luka, KP and DeRozan on the floor. I don’t agree that Brunson is expendable if DeRozan is signed. If the system is that we need two creators on the floor, then I like JB against backups with either DeRozan or Luka on the floor with him. Yeah, I think DeRozan and Brunson are really different players. Brunson is a great finisher at the rim when he gets a step on a defender, but I think he gets neutralized in the playoffs against faster defenders who can stay in front of him plus with refs swallowing their whistles. DeRozan does his work in the post in tightly contested defense. And really, that's what I love about his potential fit here (offensively at least), because we've never had this kind of guy with Luka. And if you have a smaller guard on the floor, there's no place to hide him between Luka and DeRozan. One of them are going to take him down into the post for an easy bucket. I see Ball as a continuation of the stagnant offense where Luka dribbles the air out of the ball while 4 guys stand around. This is a great breakdown of DeRozan's toolbox of post moves, and the toolbox is full. https://mediumlights.substack.com/p/demar-derozans-masterful-footwork RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Not realistic but I am still hoping for a KP salary dump. If Harrison and Kidd are as good as we hope when it comes to recruting a fresh start with the max amount of capspace would be great. Couldn't agree more. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - mvossman - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 02:59 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Yeah, I think DeRozan and Brunson are really different players. Brunson is a great finisher at the rim when he gets a step on a defender, but I think he gets neutralized in the playoffs against faster defenders who can stay in front of him plus with refs swallowing their whistles. DeRozan does his work in the post in tightly contested defense. And really, that's what I love about his potential fit here (offensively at least), because we've never had this kind of guy with Luka. And if you have a smaller guard on the floor, there's no place to hide him between Luka and DeRozan. One of them are going to take him down into the post for an easy bucket. I see Ball as a continuation of the stagnant offense where Luka dribbles the air out of the ball while 4 guys stand around. You guys are turning me around on the DeRozan/Luka offensive fit. The defensive fit is obviously a concern, but it is a lot easier to get 3&D guys than top level creators. All you really need with these two is a couple of 3&D guard/wings and a rim running anchor in the middle. Anything else is gravy. If KP can get back to his rim protecting days, his offensive spacing would give those two a ton of room. Otherwise we send him to Spurs so we can get that anchor (Holmes). THJ does not make a lot of sense with DeRozan. I don't think you can play him with Luka/DeRozan as a starter, and he will cost too much to be coming off the bench. It's all about 3&D in the backcourt one you land DeRozan. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Scott41theMavs - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 01:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Not realistic but I am still hoping for a KP salary dump. If Harrison and Kidd are as good as we hope when it comes to recruting a fresh start with the max amount of capspace would be great. I have announced myself as on this wagon at least three times lately. Fourth time's the charm? I think that KP, with his contract, etc., makes the most sense with a rebuilding team. If you're rebuilding, you want to take a flier on a guy who is still young and might one day be worth his contract. You have to pay somebody. If he continues to suck the rest of his contract, then no harm done - he helped your tanking process in the course of rebuilding. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - KillerLeft - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 03:26 PM)mvossman Wrote: THJ does not make a lot of sense with DeRozan. I don't think you can play him with Luka/DeRozan as a starter, and he will cost too much to be coming off the bench. It's all about 3&D in the backcourt one you land DeRozan. Agreed, except..."3 and some D" is better than "no 3 and lots of D" for the same reason, imo. Luka's gonna have the ball, so if DeRozan is around, literally all 3 of the other dudes need to be shooters, imo. I take your point about D being important between Luka and DeRozan, and this won't be popular, but...I kind of think the catch-and-shoot part of "3 and D" might be the MORE important thing. Ultimately, I'm still just not a fan of the Luka/DeRozan pairing, myself, though I concede that getting him would represent a major talent upgrade. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $22.7M - $34.4M in capspace | FA starts Aug 2, 5 pm - Hogmelon - 06-29-2021 (06-29-2021, 03:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ultimately, I'm still just not a fan of the Luka/DeRozan pairing, myself, though I concede that getting him would represent a major talent upgrade. Yeah, and DeRozan (born August 7, 1989) will be 100 years old before the start of the 2021-22 NBA season. |