(05-13-2025, 03:04 PM)omahen Wrote: I think Boston will try to reduce their salaries this summer while bringing in similar quality guys. I think the obvious moves are shipping out JRue and KP and try to get back similar talent on much lower salaries. They have most of their draft capital to execute such trades. 

I think JRue had worse season that last one and he is not getting any younger. Still, he could be a great short term solution. But, it would take more salary than just PJ.

(05-13-2025, 04:14 PM)F Gump Wrote: In theory you'd want BOS players, but Jrue is too old (about to turn 35), starting to be injury-limited, and starting to decline a bit. White is a bit younger (about to turn 31) but the wrong position unless Klay is part of the outgoing.

There's also the issue of finding a 3rd team to take about half the trade with no salary coming back, when there's probably not going to be a lot of open cap room to be had. But if I understand the new rules correctly, the Mavs will have a great opportunity if they decide to trade PJW, because a team with the NT MLE would be able to use that exception to acquire him in trade and send no salary back. If the Mavs GAVE him to a team, what picks could they get for doing that?

So something like this would work on the CBA front ...
Klay to BOS, White to DAL
PJW to ____, picks to DAL

It doesn't solve the need for a creator and/or PG, but imo it does improve the SG position and also gets the Mavs a lot younger/healthier at the 2 (although to his credit, Klay played 72 last season and his shooting splits on 3s and FTs were still excellent, all of which should make him desirable).

(05-13-2025, 04:26 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think PJ would bring a better return than Gafford, I think?  Might be better to resign Gafford.  Would probably cost less too and is insurance for Lively's availability.

We will see.  A lot of options.  I think one of Marshall or Martin may traded too.  Mavs need more shooting.  Not sure Martin has any value now.

(05-13-2025, 04:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I just can't get there, sorry. That's THREE highly paid centers (once Lively's rookie deal ends) on a roster without a true PG, currently. Seems like terrible planning. 

I like all the players involved in the discussion, don't get me wrong, and I could actually be talked into moving BOTH Gafford AND PJW, but...I feel it would be insane to give Gafford the next contract he's already leaking he wants (or, are the Mavs leaking it to prepare us for the impending shake up?).  

If some people would prefer to trade Lively, I think that's nutbar factor 7, but it's at least a conversation worth having. I think he's vastly superior to Gafford, and him being farther away from a higher price tag makes him safer, too, imho.

(05-13-2025, 05:15 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am not saying I have a firm direction yet, but a resign of Gafford would probably be a 2 year thing.    I thought the same before we had the first pick that Gafford was more likely to be extended than traded.   I think Nico wants to win now and they want to be a physical team.   Gafford pairs with Lively until Lively get a new contract (and proves to be healthy).   Then Gafford is moved.   Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I just have a feeling PJ is the more likely of the two to get traded.  Although Nico is really close to PJ, i believe.  At least that was what McMahon was reporting a month or two ago that PJ was one of his guys.

(05-13-2025, 04:42 PM)cow Wrote: Boston would want a lot for White who's playing the best ball of his career.  I don't think you'd want to afford him.  Their situation is tough though, KP is expiring and has been dreadful, Jrue is old and has a lot of expensive years left, Hauser is starting his contract extension, Horford and Kornet are free agents and they are already close to the second apron.  They have some difficult decisions to make.

(05-13-2025, 06:04 PM)soog Wrote: Thought I was abandoning 35 years of fandom after the trade, but the NBA writes pulled me back in with this plot twist.

Came back to see what people were saying about additions this summer, particularly White.

I agree that Boston will want a lot for White, but they are in a beggars can’t be choosers position right now. They need to clear some serious salary cap space. Ideally that would be KP and Holiday. It is going to be costly to move both KP and Holiday. They also may be without Tatum to start the season and will want to bring him back slowly.  

PJW for White makes a lot of sense for both sides. PJW can help take some of the load off of Tatum and backfill KP when they inevitably move him. Boston has to give up White, but could potentially shed a lot of salary between White and KP, while still getting back a starting caliber player in PJW. Throw in Hardy for salary matching purposes and they also get a young-ish guard to take some of White’s minutes.

(05-13-2025, 04:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I just can't get there, sorry. That's THREE highly paid centers (once Lively's rookie deal ends) on a roster without a true PG, currently. Seems like terrible planning. 

I like all the players involved in the discussion, don't get me wrong, and I could actually be talked into moving BOTH Gafford AND PJW, but...I feel it would be insane to give Gafford the next contract he's already leaking he wants (or, are the Mavs leaking it to prepare us for the impending shake up?).  

If some people would prefer to trade Lively, I think that's nutbar factor 7, but it's at least a conversation worth having. I think he's vastly superior to Gafford, and him being farther away from a higher price tag makes him safer, too, imho.

(05-13-2025, 07:40 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Another thing to consider is the mavs should have a deep front court.  Don’t trade just to trade.  Lively has not proven to be a heavy minute player for a full season.  He should probably split time with another player during the regular season. More inportantly, you really need to watch AD minutes.  Maybe keep him at 30 minutes in the regular season.  Ned to keep him fresh in the regular season.  Can’t ask him to do heavy lifting every game.