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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - Mavs2021 - 03-31-2021 We just need a 3rd star. The rest takes care of itself. Look at Blake and LMA with the Nets. Drummond with the Lakers. You just need to be a true contender. It´s just idiotic to work around the edges, but of course to acquire that 3rd star you either need draft picks or draft talent, two things the MantiBT doesn´t believe in, so they are stuck with this useless begging exercise every summer. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - Kammrath - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 11:14 AM)loki Wrote: He can certainly move his feet better than Powell. I don't see any issues in the fit with KP. My main concern is that his price tag is going through the roof. Yeah, his ability is legit. I think it is just a question of focus and work probably. His price is probably going up, real high one would think. So I think it comes down to evaluation. The Mavs need to evaluate whether he is the piece they need and if they think so (like I do), then you boldly go for it. I prefer JC because of age (23 versus 27) and the ability to shoot the three, so I think RH's price should be a significant tier down from JC. But who knows what the market will dictate. I personally think a guy like RH is worth MORE to the Mavs than most teams because I think Luka will unlock his already scary potential. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - Kammrath - 03-31-2021 And just as a reminder on RH, the Mavs were connected to sniffing around on him at the deadline. So there is reportedly interest there as a piece alongside KP. https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-rumors-intel-kyle-lowry-spencer-dinwiddie-andre-drummond-richaun-holmes-more/ RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - KillerLeft - 03-31-2021 Not sure where I stand on ranking the potential 4/5 type targets for the Mavs just yet. Also not sure who I can see working with Luka, with KP at this time. One thing is clear: Another player is needed in the mix at those positions, regardless of how you feel about KP and/or Kleber. Rebounding can't be this bad moving forward if the team wants to contend in the future. The Mavs are VERY skilled at the 4/5, but they are almost always athletically outmatched there. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - mvossman - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 11:05 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm with this, only I don't think it's ONLY about DFS. Yeah, they have both been underperforming, but the difference is JRich is a better player across the board (except rebounding) and is more likely to find his 3 point shot (has a better history with less spacing). There is a reason DFS is the guy other teams are leaving open. Honestly, I think THJ should probably replace DFS in the starting rotation now. We have already added Maxi and JRich to the starting lineup and both Luka and THJ have raised there defense to average level. That way DFS could take on more backup minutes at the 4, which we desperately need. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - KillerLeft - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 11:54 AM)mvossman Wrote: but the difference is JRich is a better player across the board (except rebounding) and is more likely to find his 3 point shot (has a better history with less spacing). There is a reason DFS is the guy other teams are leaving open. See, you might be right about the above, but this is the part I'm not ready to call yet, personally. I would lean the other way, if anything. I'm not buying the idea that Richardson is a better defender than DFS, myself. Like @"Kammrath" said really well the other day, Richardson's game seems to be about creating a lot frenetic movement, which might appear to the eye as effective play, but in reality he seems to be out of position a LOT to me. Maybe I'm letting emotional bias creep into this, but my goal would be to keep an open mind until the end of the season. Another factor, imo, is size and length. They're all wings, but DFS is uncommonly long for guys as quick and nimble as he is, defensively. That's something that neither Richardson nor THJ can offer (though neither is exactly size challenged) and I think it gets taken for granted a lot around here. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - ItsGoTime - 03-31-2021 I kinda like the idea of a Ball/OPJ offseason at the moment, with JRich being the casualty. I'd hope we get a SnT for JRich (maybe a double SnT to NO?), but if we come back with those two, I'm pretty happy with the results on paper. Ball seems to be on his way out, JRich could be a pretty good consolation prize, and we tip them a couple seconds. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-31-2021 1. I hate to break Kamm's heart but RH who will be the Christian Wood darling of this board, is not going to come to the Mavs. 2. I also don't think KP is being traded. He is playing better and is still a 2nd star. 3. While I do believe Luka needs a good roll man, I think you could have your third big be that guy that Powell used to be (hopefully we can dump Powell). 4. Not sure ab Kemba, was just throwing it out there bc he is sort of a star on paper. I like Conley as a realistic target who gives you some similar things Kemba would bring at a lower cost and plays defense. 5. I could definitely see the Mavs resigning THJ, J Rich, then doing some work with MLE and/or moving Powell's contract as their offseason. A lot of this depends on how well the Mavs fare in the playoffs/play-in game. If Mavs play really well obv there will be more momentum towards bringing the band back together. 6. The Mavs Collins interest is in my view mostly about Mavs wanting someone they think is gettable that has potential to be that third star. To me Collins and Ball are longshots because of their RFA status. I expect NYK to throw the sink at Ball and I also expect ATL to match offers on Collins. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - ItsGoTime - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:16 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: To me Collins and Ball are longshots because of their RFA status. I expect NYK to throw the sink at Ball and I also expect ATL to match offers on Collins.Only thing I'll say about Ball going to NY is I believe he didn't like the media attention he got in LA, mostly due to his dad's mouth, which has calmed down a bit lately, but still NY will fry him worse than LA when he has a bad night. Wonder if he wants to willingly go there as it does seem there is a price NO won't match. The other thing, JRich might be a really good replacement for them at a much lower price tag. A double SnT of JRich for Ball is my proposal. That is a lower hit on the cap that might make a difference in OPJ negotiations (without running the numbers)! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - mvossman - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: See, you might be right about the above, but this is the part I'm not ready to call yet, personally. I would lean the other way, if anything. I'm not buying the idea that Richardson is a better defender than DFS, myself. Like @"Kammrath" said really well the other day, Richardson's game seems to be about creating a lot frenetic movement, which might appear to the eye as effective play, but in reality he seems to be out of position a LOT to me. Maybe I'm letting emotional bias creep into this, but my goal would be to keep an open mind until the end of the season. I think Richardson has a similar versatility as a defender, its just one position down. He can guard 1-3 where DFS can guard 2-4. They are both good (but not lockdown) defenders whos best attribute is their versatility. Jrich can chase around 1s, and not get abused when switched onto wings. We don't have anyone else on the roster that can do that. As far as waiting until the end of the season, I agree as there is no other option. Like most, I have been disappointed with Richardson so far, and I am very curious to see how he ends the season. Hopefully we will get at least one full playoff series to assess the impact he makes there. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Only thing I'll say about Ball going to NY is I believe he didn't like the media attention he got in LA, mostly due to his dad's mouth, which has calmed down a bit lately, but still NY will fry him worse than LA when he has a bad night. Wonder if he wants to willingly go there as it does seem there is a price NO won't match. The other thing, JRich might be a really good replacement for them at a much lower price tag. A double SnT of JRich for Ball is my proposal. That is a lower hit on the cap that might make a difference in OPJ negotiations (without running the numbers)! Are double S&T's a thing? Also I just think Ball is NYK's top target. They ready to git gud and see him is a fit. They have tons of space and could easily give him a max deal even. OPJ could be a good buy low guy depending on how far his value has fallen. If you could get OPJ and Theis + retain J Rich, THJ and maybe dump Powell somewhere that's not a bad offseason. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - KillerLeft - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:27 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think Richardson has a similar versatility as a defender, its just one position down. He can guard 1-3 where DFS can guard 2-4. Yeah, we're pretty much in lock step on this. Here are the questions I'd ask you to clarify where we might differ: 1) of the two defensive player types you describe above, which is more rare in the NBA? 2) Most of us agree that another ball-handling, playmaking, scoring threat is needed. In your opinion, is it easier to find one of those who's more similar to your Richardson description above, or your DFS description? My opinion is that there are maybe 5 guys in the NBA at DFS's size and agility level on defense who can be two-way players, not only through shooting off of the catch, but with face-up creation. Teams who have them aren't letting them go. To contrast, potential Richardson replacements seem to exist on every NBA team except for this one. Just my two cents on this. I do agree that DFS's shooting needs to improve soon or his size isn't going to matter much. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, we're pretty much in lock step on this. Here are the questions I'd ask you to clarify where we might differ: I know Conley's having a good year but I haven't seen his defense lately. Over his career he had the reputation as a good defender. I think Mavs regret letting Curry go. I still like Conley as a Curry/J Rich replacement in that he is pretty balanced player. He definitely passes the ball better that Rich or Curry does. If he can still guard opposing point guards then that could work. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - michaeltex - 03-31-2021 (03-30-2021, 04:18 PM)JamesConway Wrote: At some point we were shooting for all those guys. Barnes and Parsons actually got here.This is from a few pages back, but I'm just catching up on the last 24 hours, so apologies if the flavor is already chewed out of this. I agree that there have been multiple years where the MBT hyped up getting some big name FA, only to flounder to the finish line with dregs. The two above are successes, but in both cases I'd say there was serious buyer's remorse within the first season after they came on board. I'd also include Wes Matthews. He ended up getting a pile of money because of the disaster that was DAJ's non-signing, but was never the near-all star he was in POR. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - Kammrath - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 12:16 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: I hate to break Kamm's heart but RH who will be the Christian Wood darling of this board, is not going to come to the Mavs. My bad, sorry Pedro Power, I didn't know it was you. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - omahen - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 11:37 AM)Kammrath Wrote: And just as a reminder on RH, the Mavs were connected to sniffing around on him at the deadline. So there is reportedly interest there as a piece alongside KP. Mavs were reported to be snifffing around Drummond too. It doesn't mean it is true. I am with StepBackJay on this one. Holmes will be very expensive and is probably not worth it. If he wants to come for max 12 per, than great. But I am certain some mid tier team will make him feel very special. (03-31-2021, 12:16 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I kinda like the idea of a Ball/OPJ offseason at the moment, with JRich being the casualty. I'd hope we get a SnT for JRich (maybe a double SnT to NO?), but if we come back with those two, I'm pretty happy with the results on paper. Ball seems to be on his way out, JRich could be a pretty good consolation prize, and we tip them a couple seconds. I think if NO moves from Ball, it will be to push Kira Lewis and NAW in the first plan. They also have Bledsoe and Hart to play with at guard spots. (03-31-2021, 01:09 PM)michaeltex Wrote: I agree that there have been multiple years where the MBT hyped up getting some big name FA, only to flounder to the finish line with dregs. At least this time around there are basically no big names to wait around A couple of old guys and RFAs will get very overpaid, imho RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 01:16 PM)omahen Wrote: At least this time around there are basically no big names to wait around A couple of old guys and RFAs will get very overpaid, imho Mavs will find a way to wait around for someone, probably Danny Green again. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - michaeltex - 03-31-2021 I keep using 2011 Mavs as a reference, but that team had multiple players (both starters and subs) who could, and did, carry the team during flat spots. Caron Butler, until he got hurt, was key early in the season. JET had some inconsistencies, but seemed to always turn it on when needed. Dirk, of course. Peja made key contributions, bad back and all. Marion could be a demon inside or in the corner. Stevenson could heat up and make the scoreboard spin. Tyson and Haywood combined to make the 5 a strength rather than a weakness, although TC gets most of the credit. Let's not forget Kidd, who was probably the best basketball mind on the team, and JJB who was instant energy. I keep looking at the current Mavs and I see some similarities. Luka, KP, THJ, Brunson, Maxi, DFS are sort of the core of the team that can carry them for periods when everyone else is flat. I submit, that we are only a few more contributors from being back to the 2011 level. JJR could possibly contribute, depending on health and desire. Melli excited some of us on his first night and I think we are all eager to test the reality of that. TBH, I still rate the rookies as "incomplete" since there is a lot of potential, but it has not appeared consistently in limited exposure. I guess my point is that we definitely need a few improvements, but that we may not be as far away (assuming healthy bodies) as some would believe. (03-31-2021, 01:22 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs will find a way to wait around for someone, probably Danny Green again. Too bad the COVID restrictions are easing. Now they can once again get overwhelmed while having dinner together. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 10:58 AM)omahen Wrote: OPJ could be probably had cheap.Very curious about his upcoming market. Feels like could be surprisingly low or surprisingly high but he's the name I keep coming back to with our MLE if we stay over the cap and keep everyone. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL with $25.7M - $37.3M in capspace this summer - StepBackJay - 03-31-2021 (03-31-2021, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Very curious about his upcoming market. Feels like could be surprisingly low or surprisingly high but he's the name I keep coming back to with our MLE if we stay over the cap and keep everyone. I benchmark OPJ's deal at like 1 yr MLE, primarily bc of his injury history. I don't think teams will commit years to guys they think are a question mark in terms of availability. |