(06-21-2024, 09:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Speaking so much about Bruce Brown...wonder what it would take to get him?

(06-21-2024, 09:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Speaking so much about Bruce Brown...wonder what it would take to get him?

(06-22-2024, 03:43 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Dzanan Musa/ Madrid (29th pick in 2018): 14pts 3reb 2ast 61/41/82, 6'9 SF
Guerschon Yabusele/ Madrid (16th pick in 2016): 11pts 5reb 65/46/87, 6'8 PF
Semi Ojeleye/ Valencia (37th pick in 2017): 13pts 4reb 51/47/87, 6'6 PF
Mario Hezonja/ Madrid (5th pick in 2015):14pts 4reb 52/42/92, 6'9 SF
Kendrick Nunn/ Athens (undrafted in 2018): 16pts 3reb 3ast 47/41/96, 6'5 PG/SG

*euroleague uses 2P%/3P%/FT% splits

Is there another Exum like target in europe? Players that dropped out of the NBA for various reasons. Are ready for another opportunity.

(06-21-2024, 03:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm not totally out on the Harris idea, but I highly doubt he'd start in the circumstances you've outlined above. No offense to you or anyone else, but I keep seeing these ideas that play two 4's next to each other, and I just feel like that's willfully missing what just worked for Dallas. They need DJJ or a DJJ replacement. They already have a PJ Washington. They could use another 4 to come off the bench like Harris, Collins, whoever, but not at the sacrifice of the quicker wing, and probably only if they don't move Green (because they need two of that type, really). 

These are all great ideas for replacing Kleber, if the team really is into moving on from him. I don't think they're as ideally suited as Kleber (when healthy) because they can't play the 5 as well, but Harris and Collins CAN defend and shoot a little. Collins can even create some for himself in the post, if that's a dimension they want to add. 

But without the Jones element on the defensive end this is all pointless. That's why it's Jones or Grant for me, so far.

(06-21-2024, 03:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm not totally out on the Harris idea, but I highly doubt he'd start in the circumstances you've outlined above. No offense to you or anyone else, but I keep seeing these ideas that play two 4's next to each other, and I just feel like that's willfully missing what just worked for Dallas. They need DJJ or a DJJ replacement. They already have a PJ Washington. They could use another 4 to come off the bench like Harris, Collins, whoever, but not at the sacrifice of the quicker wing, and probably only if they don't move Green (because they need two of that type, really). 

These are all great ideas for replacing Kleber, if the team really is into moving on from him. I don't think they're as ideally suited as Kleber (when healthy) because they can't play the 5 as well, but Harris and Collins CAN defend and shoot a little. Collins can even create some for himself in the post, if that's a dimension they want to add. 

But without the Jones element on the defensive end this is all pointless. That's why it's Jones or Grant for me, so far.

(06-22-2024, 09:04 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role. 

(06-22-2024, 09:04 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There is a clip of Jake Fisher telling Nate Duncan that he’s heard Dallas has a way of clearing room for Jones without using THJ or Maxi.  Duncan kind of talks over him and Jake doesn’t finish his thought on the clip I heard on X.  I think the insinuation is Green goes out to create the room for Jones Jr. (and brings back an asset).  Then, we are free to trade THJ or THJ/Maxi for someone.

I’ve already pointed out that Green fits neatly into the NT MLE which can be used for trades starting this summer.  Another way that this could happen is Green could be traded into a current TPE and it could happen in June as long as the TPE is big enough to defeat his PP status.  CBA Mavs wrote about trading Green’s PP contract for Mav’s Moneyball back in February.  He puts the number needed at $11.44mm (the average of Green’s 23/24 salary and all of his extension salary).

Currently, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis and Washington have a TPE that large.  The one I find interesting is Washington.  They have a late first, a need for someone like Green and enough room to take him in without getting into the tax for 23/24.  They also have the 2nd pick, so trading #26 doesn’t mean they are going without a pick.  For Dallas, the deal is basically Green for #26 and Jones Jr. as the deal provides the pathway to keeping DJJ.

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role.  The moment we sign DJJ to more than $5.2mm, we are hard capped at the first apron.  So any THJ+ deal we make needs to have returning salary that is very close to the outgoing.  It doesn’t have to be less than 100% of the outgoing since we are already hard capped.  But, depending on what DJJ takes, we don’t have much room under the apron to work with.

(06-22-2024, 09:30 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: BTW, for those wanting J. Grant, this could be a path to getting him without sending multiple guards to a guard heavy team.  Green to Washington for #26 as outlined.  THJ/Maxi/#26/2025 for Grant/#34/#40.  DJJ doesn’t quite get the full NT MLE here, but I don’t have my spreadsheet to plug in the numbers.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Jones Jr., Hardy, Exum

(06-22-2024, 08:06 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you used to say the same thing about Jones…that he was a four.  I had that conversation with someone a while back and I thought it was you.

No one stays in front of SGA, so setting that as a standard is meaningless.  In the playoffs we funneled guys like that to our rim protectors.  Then SGA basically shoved Green into the first row and got off his mid-range shot.  SGA won’t shove Harris very far.  Harris has played SF a good bit in his career.  I think we’d be fine starting him with PJ (and having Jones be the third man in the PJ/Harris/Jones rotation of non centers and non-ball handlers).

I will give you credit as one of the few here who had a vision for PJ here and pushed it loudly.  But, if both PJ and Harris were signed to the same contract back in February (instead of Harris’s $45mm albatross), I’m not sure many of us would have picked PJ over Harris.  There isn’t really a single stat that argues for PJ other than the fact he’s ours now and we saw it work and we love him here.

(06-22-2024, 10:16 AM)mvossman Wrote: We love PJ here because he has been playing defense at a very high level since he got here.  Harris is an average defender at best right now.  In my mind when you have Luka and Kyrie in the starting lineup, switching out defense for offense is a losing proposition.  The offense is diminishing returns and we saw what a difference it makes when you put the right defensive pieces around them.

Your SGA comments sounds like there is no point in having a POA defender because SGA will just blow by him.  I believe switching DJJ for Harris would make us much more vulnerable at the perimeter.  I would be more interested in Harris offense on the second unit when one of Luka or Kyrie are off the court.

(06-22-2024, 09:30 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: BTW, for those wanting J. Grant, this could be a path to getting him without sending multiple guards to a guard heavy team.  Green to Washington for #26 as outlined.  THJ/Maxi/#26/2025 for Grant/#34/#40.  DJJ doesn’t quite get the full NT MLE here, but I don’t have my spreadsheet to plug in the numbers.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Jones Jr., Hardy, Exum

(06-22-2024, 05:34 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: Real Madrid players are hardly gettable. They are well paid there and probably won't be happy with bench role in NBA.

Kendrick Nunn might be the one. Had a fantastic season with Pao and also won Euroleague. There is also a Slovenian connection between GM of Panathinaikos (Sani Becirovic) who once also told Goran Dragic help him bring Nunn into Europe.

Isaac Bonga could be interesting from Bayern as well,

(06-22-2024, 10:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think the greatest lesson of the finals was that we need more O, but need to do it in a way that we aren’t giving up much D.  I agree that I’d want Harris in when one of Luka/Kyrie is sitting.  But, that doesn’t necessarily equate with not starting.  Ultimately, it is a rotation.  If Harris comes off the bench, fine.  He and PJ and Jones are all going to get their minutes.  If Harris starts and 5 minutes into the game he or Kyrie sits, that works too.

(06-22-2024, 09:04 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There is a clip of Jake Fisher telling Nate Duncan that he’s heard Dallas has a way of clearing room for Jones without using THJ or Maxi.  Duncan kind of talks over him and Jake doesn’t finish his thought on the clip I heard on X.  I think the insinuation is Green goes out to create the room for Jones Jr. (and brings back an asset).  Then, we are free to trade THJ or THJ/Maxi for someone.

I’ve already pointed out that Green fits neatly into the NT MLE which can be used for trades starting this summer.  Another way that this could happen is Green could be traded into a current TPE and it could happen in June as long as the TPE is big enough to defeat his PP status.  CBA Mavs wrote about trading Green’s PP contract for Mav’s Moneyball back in February.  He puts the number needed at $11.44mm (the average of Green’s 23/24 salary and all of his extension salary).

Currently, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Memphis and Washington have a TPE that large.  The one I find interesting is Washington.  They have a late first, a need for someone like Green and enough room to take him in without getting into the tax for 23/24.  They also have the 2nd pick, so trading #26 doesn’t mean they are going without a pick.  For Dallas, the deal is basically Green for #26 and Jones Jr. as the deal provides the pathway to keeping DJJ.

The salary for #26 is $2.6mm, so not really much more than filling a roster spot with a vet min (assuming you make the pick and keep it).  The pick could also be packaged with THJ (and 2025) in another deal to try to attract a starter that pushes Jones Jr. into Green’s bench role.  The moment we sign DJJ to more than $5.2mm, we are hard capped at the first apron.  So any THJ+ deal we make needs to have returning salary that is very close to the outgoing.  It doesn’t have to be less than 100% of the outgoing since we are already hard capped.  But, depending on what DJJ takes, we don’t have much room under the apron to work with.