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RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - Dundalis - 05-13-2025

(05-12-2025, 06:26 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: We are so fucking back!  Trust in Nico I guess.

Even if this was rigged and Nico knew about it, not a chance in hell Nico should get any credit for it whatsoever. One of the major issues I have is that Mavs fans completely forgive Nico, and welcome him to remain at the helm making critical decisions for the teams future. The guy who says he only cares about the next 3 years, and oh well to whatever happens after that. I still have zero certainty that Flagg is definitely even gonna play a single minute in a Mavs jersey because Nico is still the one making decisions. In fact when you watch how nonchalent Flagg's reaction was to Dallas getting pick 1, I think it's because he knows that if he's going to a team with a FO that will trade a 25 year old top 5 NBA player at the drop of a hat, why should he feel comfortable coming to this team.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - david75090 - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 06:25 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Even if this was rigged and Nico knew about it, not a chance in hell Nico should get any credit for it whatsoever. One of the major issues I have is that Mavs fans completely forgive Nico, and welcome him to remain at the helm making critical decisions for the teams future. The guy who says he only cares about the next 3 years, and oh well to whatever happens after that. I still have zero certainty that Flagg is definitely even gonna play a single minute in a Mavs jersey because Nico is still the one making decisions. In fact when you watch how nonchalent Flagg's reaction was to Dallas getting pick 1, I think it's because he knows that if he's going to a team with a FO that will trade a 25 year old top 5 NBA player at the drop of a hat, why should he feel comfortable coming to this team.

Cooper Flagg DID NOT look overjoyed. He's going to be the number one pick. Had to be thinking "uh-oh". It wasn't a secret how fans feel about management in Dallas, and what management put their players through, by extension. Welcome to the shit-show, Cooper! Probably thinking "No thanks." One more reason job one is to fire Nico. Fans don't trust him. Morale will go up, and healing can begin. Whether the trade was on Nico, or not, the perception is, it was on Nico. It will never be proven that the league put Luka in LA, so the official story has to be, it's on Nico.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - ThisIStheYear - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 06:25 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Even if this was rigged and Nico knew about it, not a chance in hell Nico should get any credit for it whatsoever. One of the major issues I have is that Mavs fans completely forgive Nico, and welcome him to remain at the helm making critical decisions for the teams future. The guy who says he only cares about the next 3 years, and oh well to whatever happens after that. I still have zero certainty that Flagg is definitely even gonna play a single minute in a Mavs jersey because Nico is still the one making decisions. In fact when you watch how nonchalent Flagg's reaction was to Dallas getting pick 1, I think it's because he knows that if he's going to a team with a FO that will trade a 25 year old top 5 NBA player at the drop of a hat, why should he feel comfortable coming to this team.

It’s not possible to rig the lottery. Ernst and Young would go bankrupt if something like that came out. They’re not risking their entire firm over an NBA lottery. But, Nico did get lucky.  Now we need good.  The Mavs should definitely bring in a new GM.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - DallasMaverick - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 07:13 AM)david75090 Wrote: Cooper Flagg DID NOT look overjoyed. He's going to be the number one pick. Had to be thinking "uh-oh". It wasn't a secret how fans feel about management in Dallas, and what management put their players through, by extension. Welcome to the shit-show, Cooper! Probably thinking "No thanks." One more reason job one is to fire Nico. Fans don't trust him. Morale will go up, and healing can begin. Whether the trade was on Nico, or not, the perception is, it was on Nico. It will never be proven that the league put Luka in LA, so the official story has to be, it's on Nico.

Seems like Flagg has the same demeanor all the time.  Not sure we should read anything particular about his response.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - numnuts23 - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 08:11 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: It’s not possible to rig the lottery. Ernst and Young would go bankrupt if something like that came out. They’re not risking their entire firm over an NBA lottery. But, Nico did get lucky.  Now we need good.  The Mavs should definitely bring in a new GM.

If Kyrie doesn't tear his ACL - none of this matters.  The Mavs were going to move up in the playoffs and not be in the lotto.  That's where the rigging comments don't make sense


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 09:44 AM)numnuts23 Wrote: If Kyrie doesn't tear his ACL - none of this matters.  The Mavs were going to move up in the playoffs and not be in the lotto.  That's where the rigging comments don't make sense

I don't think Mavs were in the playoff with Kyrie honestly, Memphis was clearly the better team even with and injuried Ja.

The problem was the city situation, the "Fire Nico" chants everywhere and the fans riot, they didn't expect that.

Probably without those things Mavs would have had the reward in a few years not now.

Everyone is free to think whatever they want but the odds are heavy against a clean lottery (Mavs-Spurs-76ers trio was like 0,018%) and the timing is... Ouch.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - DallasMaverick - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 09:44 AM)numnuts23 Wrote: If Kyrie doesn't tear his ACL - none of this matters.  The Mavs were going to move up in the playoffs and not be in the lotto.  That's where the rigging comments don't make sense

Kinda funny how people are going crazy about a 1.8% chance event actually happening, yet will go to Vegas and put a big bet on a number on the roulette table.

Statistically, a 1-in-50 chance happens pretty often. Mavs have 1 championship in about 45 years of trying. And now our second #1 draft pick.

A few other similar probabilities:
  1. Developing rheumatoid arthritis (lifetime): 1 in 28 (Arthritis Foundation)
  2. Being a victim of identity theft (annual): 1 in 20
  3. Dying in a car accident (lifetime): 1 in 107
  4. Dying from a drug overdose (lifetime): 1 in 70
  5. Getting audited by the IRS (annual): 1 in 161
  6. Developing Alzheimer’s disease (lifetime): 1 in 10
  7. Having your home catch fire (lifetime): 1 in 3 
  8. Being born with a birth defect (lifetime): 1 in 33
  9. Contracting the flu (annual): 1 in 10



RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 05-13-2025

It's not just the #1 pick... But the trio.... And 6 months after the worst trade in sport history...

The % were a lot lower.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - Mavs2021 - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 10:07 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Kinda funny how people are going crazy about a 1.8% chance event actually happening, yet will go to Vegas and put a big bet on a number on the roulette table.

Statistically, a 1-in-50 chance happens pretty often. Mavs have 1 championship in about 45 years of trying. And now our second #1 draft pick.

A few other similar probabilities:
  1. Developing rheumatoid arthritis (lifetime): 1 in 28 (Arthritis Foundation)
  2. Being a victim of identity theft (annual): 1 in 20
  3. Dying in a car accident (lifetime): 1 in 107
  4. Dying from a drug overdose (lifetime): 1 in 70
  5. Getting audited by the IRS (annual): 1 in 161
  6. Developing Alzheimer’s disease (lifetime): 1 in 10
  7. Having your home catch fire (lifetime): 1 in 3 
  8. Being born with a birth defect (lifetime): 1 in 33
  9. Contracting the flu (annual): 1 in 10
10.Probability you made this stuff up 100%.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - DallasMaverick - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 11:07 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: 10.Probability you made this shit up 100%.

Although 47.3% of statistics are made up on the spot...

Nope.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 05-13-2025

(05-13-2025, 10:07 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Kinda funny how people are going crazy about a 1.8% chance event actually happening, yet will go to Vegas and put a big bet on a number on the roulette table.

Statistically, a 1-in-50 chance happens pretty often. Mavs have 1 championship in about 45 years of trying. And now our second #1 draft pick.

A few other similar probabilities:
  1. Developing rheumatoid arthritis (lifetime): 1 in 28 (Arthritis Foundation)
  2. Being a victim of identity theft (annual): 1 in 20
  3. Dying in a car accident (lifetime): 1 in 107
  4. Dying from a drug overdose (lifetime): 1 in 70
  5. Getting audited by the IRS (annual): 1 in 161
  6. Developing Alzheimer’s disease (lifetime): 1 in 10
  7. Having your home catch fire (lifetime): 1 in 3 
  8. Being born with a birth defect (lifetime): 1 in 33
  9. Contracting the flu (annual): 1 in 10

I bet you're fun at parties. 

I was psyched about Cooper, but after realizing I've had more than half that list happen to me and yet I've never personally won the lottery is a major buzzkill.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - david75090 - 05-25-2025

Read it and weep...

https://sportsnaut.com/nba/revisiting-clippers-trading-shai-gilgeous-alexander-to-thunder-worst-of-all-time/


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - F Gump - 05-25-2025

In case anyone else is wondering while I have chased my curiosity, here is the bottom line return so far for OKC from the Paul George trade to LAC

SGA
Gallinari (primarily for salary match)
2021 1st round draft pick  Pick 18 Tre Mann selected by OKC
2022 1st round draft pick  Pick 12 Jalen Williams selected by OKC
2025 1st round draft pick 15
2025 1st round draft pick swap to 24
2026 1st round draft pick [LAC draft position]
2028 1st pick swap with DAL

Paul George at the time was 3rd in MVP vote, but more importantly to LAC his acquisition was a requirement for Kawhi to sign with LAC. 

OKC was a mid-seed (4th, 6th) playoff team and the swap for SGA/Gallinari left OKC about the same place (5th) for another year before they bottomed out for a few years to chase assets (win totals 25 equivalent, 24, 40).


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - david75090 - 05-25-2025

(05-25-2025, 06:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: In case anyone else is wondering while I have chased my curiosity, here is the bottom line return so far for OKC from the Paul George trade to LAC

SGA
Gallinari (primarily for salary match)
2021 1st round draft pick  Pick 18 Tre Mann selected by OKC
2022 1st round draft pick  Pick 12 Jalen Williams selected by OKC
2025 1st round draft pick 15
2025 1st round draft pick swap to 24
2026 1st round draft pick [LAC draft position]
2028 1st pick swap with DAL

Paul George at the time was 3rd in MVP vote, but more importantly to LAC his acquisition was a requirement for Kawhi to sign with LAC. 

OKC was a mid-seed (4th, 6th) playoff team and the swap for SGA/Gallinari left OKC about the same place (5th) for another year before they bottomed out for a few years to chase assets (win totals 25 equivalent, 24, 40).

Similar to what a GM might expect if a GM was to trade their superstar.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 05-26-2025

(05-25-2025, 11:19 AM)david75090 Wrote: Read it and weep...

https://sportsnaut.com/nba/revisiting-clippers-trading-shai-gilgeous-alexander-to-thunder-worst-of-all-time/

It's not our situation... We can change all the narrative but what happened with Luka was 1 of a kind in NBA history.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - ThisIStheYear - 06-15-2025

Perhaps today’s trade of Desmond Bane for a far more attractive package than the Mavs received for Luka will be the catalyst for a change in leadership. The Luka trade was just absurd. Wait until we see a package for a star player. It’s ugly how badly the Mavs were fleeced.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - cow - 06-15-2025

(06-15-2025, 11:04 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Perhaps today’s trade of Desmond Bane for a far more attractive package than the Mavs received for Luka will be the catalyst for a change in leadership.  The Luka trade was just absurd. Wait until we see a package for a star player. It’s ugly how badly the Mavs were fleeced.

Nah, Nico has at least this season before being shown the door.  We just need to hope we survive through the TDL without him doing any further damage to the future of the franchise.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - michaeltex - 06-16-2025

A couple of outlets are saying that, if Orlando becomes a contending East team, then the picks might not actually mean that much.

But I agree that it was a sorry negotiation by Nico and he's done nothing to inspire confidence since.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - cow - 06-16-2025

(06-16-2025, 09:39 AM)michaeltex Wrote: A couple of outlets are saying that, if Orlando becomes a contending East team, then the picks might not actually mean that much.

But I agree that it was a sorry negotiation by Nico and he's done nothing to inspire confidence since.

If we follow that logic of that argument to it's conclusion then teams should be asking for even more picks.  In reality, you just use the selfishness of negotiation in that hope that one of those picks lands during a down year for that team or that team gets blown up sometime down the line before those picks convey and that aligns with a strong draft.


RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - Dahlsim - 06-16-2025

(06-15-2025, 11:04 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Perhaps today’s trade of Desmond Bane for a far more attractive package than the Mavs received for Luka will be the catalyst for a change in leadership.  The Luka trade was just absurd. Wait until we see a package for a star player. It’s ugly how badly the Mavs were fleeced.

I've said no doubt Nico's failure to shop Doncic's trade value and push to get the most back for Luka as possible led to the Mavs getting shorted on the deal.  In terms of pure value at the least another FRP and / or Austin Reaves should have been coming back in the deal.   I also think Nico knows that if it leaked at all that the Mavs were shopping Luka the public pressure would probably kill the deal. 

That said, too many comments comparing the Bane trade to Luka generally ignore that 
1) Orlando paid some of that draft capital as a price for dumping salary. 
2) There was no Anthony Davis level return in that trade, so the trade had to be rich in draft assets. 
  • 10× NBA All-Star: 2014–2021, 2024, 2025 
  • 2x Olympic Gold Medalist: 2012, 2024 
  • All-NBA Teams: 5 selections (4× First Team) 
  • NBA All-Defensive Teams: 5 selections (3× First Team)
  • NBA Champion: 2020  NBA Cup Champion: 2023 

The difference is age is really what should have given Dallas more value, its the fact Luka has so much prime left at 26.   Luka was worth more but the fact remains Dallas did get back a 31 year old NBA All Star sure-fire hall of fame player, not Caldwell-Pope and Cole Anthony.