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RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 02:11 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Hmmm really surprised this interaction did not go well….
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. Sources informed DallasHoopsJournal.com that among the factors that led Dumont to provide the green light was an interaction he had with Dončić, focused on addressing perceived conditioning concerns. This occurred before Harrison initiated trade talks for Dončić at his coffee meeting with Pelinka in Dallas before the Mavericks faced the Lakers on Jan. 7. As one might expect, that interaction involving Dončić and Dumont did not go well. Weeks later, Dončić was traded, with a heavy run of media leaks emphasizing conditioning to follow.
In which world the obese 300lb Patrick Dumont can talk about conditioning with a professional athlete???
Hahahahahahaha
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 04:40 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: In which world the obese 300lb Patrick Dumont can talk about conditioning with a professional athlete???
Hahahahahahaha
With all due respect, he owns the team. He's not playing and he pays Luka. So he has that right. It wouldn't matter if he weighed 400 lbs. That still doesn't justify his reason for trading him. It may take time, but he'll regret it bigtime.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 05:27 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: With all due respect, he owns the team. He's not playing and he pays Luka. So he has that right. It wouldn't matter if he weighed 400 lbs. That still doesn't justify his reason for trading him. It may take time, but he'll regret it bigtime.
I don't think he paid Luka or another players, Adelsons do.
However yes, he has the right but it's still very funny for me.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 05:41 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: I don't think he paid Luka or another players, Adelsons do.
However yes, he has the right but it's still very funny for me.
He's Miram's son in law married to her daughter, so he runs the business for her since her husband died. Technically, he's part of ownership, so I'm sure she has final say on decisions but he can implement them.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - ThisIStheYear - 04-23-2025
Watching Luka last night and just how great you have to be to lead a team, even to have a chance because the TWolves are a super difficult matchup for the smaller and less athletic Lakers, through round after round of playoff hell where scoring goes down 30 points a game because of the intensity, makes me realize how few players are built for that. Luka is one of the few who is. AD and Kai are very good, but they’re just#2s mentally and in style of play and are too late in their career to develop as a #1. It may be a generation before the Mavs acquire another #1 and become a true contender again. Nico is a complete idiot.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - Knutsen - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 12:23 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Watching Luka last night and just how great you have to be to lead a team, even to have a chance because the TWolves are a super difficult matchup for the smaller and less athletic Lakers, through round after round of playoff hell where scoring goes down 30 points a game because of the intensity, makes me realize how few players are built for that. Luka is one of the few who is. AD and Kai are very good, but they’re just#2s mentally and in style of play and are too late in their career to develop as a #1. It may be a generation before the Mavs acquire another #1 and become a true contender again. Nico is a complete idiot.
Luka is one of the very few superstars that plays better the higher the stakes are. Kawhi is another, Curry as well. You never trade those kind of players if you‘re serious about winning. You try everything else before you do that - throw Kidd out and get a Thibs-style hard-nosed coach like Avery was for Dirk to get him defense and conditioning focused for two or three years before you change the coach again to a Carlisle 2.0, try different iterations of co-stars and supporting casts etc… But never trade your by far most valuable asset.
My fear is that this is just the beginning of the demise of our beloved Mavs - the theory of the Adelson-grandson taking over in a couple of years for the next decades scares me a lot.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - ballsrchr - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 01:00 PM)Knutsen Wrote: - the theory of the Adelson-grandson taking over in a couple of years for the next decades scares me a lot.
This doesn't scare me any more than what Dumont/Nico has done.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - SleepingHero - 04-23-2025
@NationMffl
“He's not there yet. Now, the 'In Nico We Trust' era has ended. He wants him to bring in an experienced exec. I think he's realized he's got to have some checks and balances that weren't in place.”
— MacMahon on Dumont firing Nico Harrison
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - Knutsen - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 02:24 PM)ballsrchr Wrote: This doesn't scare me any more than what Dumont/Nico has done.
It scares me… Because you can always get rid of Nico in a year or two. But a now 25 year old rich kid owner who thinks he knows best is like an never ending Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban nightmare for the next 50 years waiting to happen. I know I‘ll survive Jerry, but no chance I survive this little sucker.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - cow - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 03:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @NationMffl
“He's not there yet. Now, the 'In Nico We Trust' era has ended. He wants him to bring in an experienced exec. I think he's realized he's got to have some checks and balances that weren't in place.”
— MacMahon on Dumont firing Nico Harrison
Checks and balances after your check bounced. What amazing leadership.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - The Jom - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 04:17 PM)Knutsen Wrote: It scares me… Because you can always get rid of Nico in a year or two. But a now 25 year old rich kid owner who thinks he knows best is like a never ending Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban nightmare for the next 50 years waiting to happen. I know I‘ll survive Jerry, but no chance I survive this little sucker.
Does not compute. How many 25 year olds have traded a Luka for Street Clothes? None. Which makes the score, 25 year olds: 1, your generation: 0.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 04-23-2025
(04-23-2025, 03:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @NationMffl
“He's not there yet. Now, the 'In Nico We Trust' era has ended. He wants him to bring in an experienced exec. I think he's realized he's got to have some checks and balances that weren't in place.”
— MacMahon on Dumont firing Nico Harrison
The pressure on Dumont is insane, he has to cut Harrison head to save his face.
But i'm sorry Patrick, this will not make you better.
We don't forget.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - ThisIStheYear - 04-23-2025
It’s weird seeing some of the trade proposals pop up today around Giannis, who has approximately equal, maybe even less value than Luka (due to age), and the expected return is enormously more than Luka returned, starting with a young all star (not an old one), a second potential starter (not a back of the rotation player like Max), and 3 or 4 premiere picks, including one of the picks Dallas no longer controls (not what will probably be a mediocre pick from LA). I wouldn’t have liked it, but a return like that would have made me feel a lot better about the trade. The Mavs not only traded the heart of the city, they got robbed in the process. Nico turned Dallas into a second tier city, when it’s actually the powerhouse #4 market in the nation. What an idiot.
If Luka has a deep playoff run or another star is traded this off-season for a decidedly better return, you simply have to fire Nico. You need to fire him anyways, but he couldn’t possibly survive one of those two eventualities.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 04-24-2025
If Fakers will not win any ring (with or without Luka i don't care) is good even Flagg to Spurs.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - F Gump - 04-24-2025
(04-23-2025, 11:26 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: If Luka has a deep playoff run or another star is traded this off-season for a decidedly better return, you simply have to fire Nico. You need to fire him anyways, but he couldn’t possibly survive one of those two eventualities.
There is no scenario that makes the need to fire Nico any greater. He has already gone way off the charts on the "Gotta Fire Him" scale. What happens with other teams has no ability to make what he has done any better, or make him worthy of being trusted, ever again.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - omahen - 04-24-2025
(04-23-2025, 04:20 PM)cow Wrote: Checks and balances after your check bounced. What amazing leadership.
Exactly. I am still amazed how the organization allowed such a shortsided and to an extent irrational move to happen. I can understand Nico thinks Mavs are better with AD than with Luka. I don't agree, but I can understand. However, there are so many other aspects to the trade that seem to be totally ignored by Mavs decision makers and are now biting them:
- Luka is far bigger star than Davis - definite financial loss, both short and long term. This one was so easy to see that I simply can't understand how this was explained and accepted by decision makers. No titles would replace loss of income imho.
- fan outrage. I can understand the idea about outrage being far lower, if Mavs would perform after the trade. But, that was a gamble Nico took and it didn't work his way. Injuries are unfortunately for him just a poor excuse. He went all in and didn't deliver.
- long term aspect. Both Irving and Davis will be out of their prime in a couple of years. How do you pivot afterwards? Pivot with Luka on his supermax would be easy, unless he would totally fall apart injury wise. Something, I simply don't see as possible, as his game depends way more on skill than athleticism.
- team was built for Luka, not Davis. With Davis in, "half of team" is playing out of position. PJ is a PF, not a SF. Klay is a SF, not a SG. Gafford and Lively are PnR centers and their value alone was immediately halved with Luka trade, imho.
As I said before, I just don't think Mavs have a path forward with Nico. I understand he is begging for a two to three year window for his plan to produce results on the court (and be judged afterwards), but he simply neglected so many other aspects, that put Mavs in a situation where they are now. I don't think Mavs have a calm path forward with Nico. A couple of scenarios things could calm down seem very, very unrealistic to happen:
- Mavs win the lottery or
- Mavs have a historically great start of next season or
- Mavs make a huge "where did this come from" trade in the summer that would net them a star player without gutting the team
I understand firing Nico would be also an admission by Dumont that he screwed up and perhaps this would mean consequences for him, which is why he is reluctant to do it. This part I don't know anything about, so it is difficult to judge. Perhaps he can't say that he put trust on the wrong person who previous owner put in charge and will be much more careful going forward. That he understands and hears the fans and will start by firing Nico as a first step towards building a better future. Perhaps he just can't afford to say this.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - omahen - 04-24-2025
Nice summary of all moves Nico made in his Mavs tenure so far. I agree with the final summary, that even without the Luka trade, he didn't really do that great.
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/nico-harrison-thinks-hes-done-really-good-job-dallas-mavericks-why-hes-wrong-luka-doncic
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - FireNicoHarrison - 04-24-2025
(04-24-2025, 06:13 AM)omahen Wrote: Nice summary of all moves Nico made in his Mavs tenure so far. I agree with the final summary, that even without the Luka trade, he didn't really do that great.
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/nico-harrison-thinks-hes-done-really-good-job-dallas-mavericks-why-hes-wrong-luka-doncic
Outside the collusion trade i'm not so hard on Harrison, he made good moves and bad ones.
Better than a lot of GMs.
Resign THJ, Maxi & Powell worst moves.
Trade for Kyrie, PJ & Gafford best moves.
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - cow - 04-24-2025
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/rockets-owner-tilman-fertitta-takes-jab-at-mavericks-over-dumbass-luka-doncic-trade/
Rocket's owner taking shots:
"I was in the White House in the Oval Office, with the Prime Minister of Italy and the President last Thursday. And we talked about the Houston Cougars, I promise you, for at least a minute and a half," Fertitta said. "And then we talked about that dumbass Luka Dončić trade."
RE: Luka Dealt to Lakers: Nico Harrison is a Basketball Terrorist - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-24-2025
(04-24-2025, 06:40 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: Outside the collusion trade i'm not so hard on Harrison, he made good moves and bad ones.
Better than a lot of GMs.
Resign THJ, Maxi & Powell worst moves.
Trade for Kyrie, PJ & Gafford best moves.
But by trading Luka, he rolled snake eyes... It makes the Kyrie, PJ, and Gafford moves, a moot point.