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Sorry, @"Scott41theMavs". I thought you were just rattling off the next several games.

(02-14-2021, 10:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I know what you mean when comparing Kanter to Boban, but I don’t think the comparison does enough justice to how unbelievably slow and unplayable Boban really is. It’s like saying “I know that old dump truck with no tires isn’t as fast as the formula one car, but that other team has a Jeep wrangler and they’re still driving it.”

Just my opinion.

I don’t think he is that bad but if he is, his game did not suddenly regress. The MBT knew exactly what sort of a dinosaur he was in the modern game when they gave him that contract. Again I have no probs in a lot of games, but I would have at least put him for 5 mins when Kanter was in. If he played well give him 5 more mins. Not like any of our other so called faster players were offering any resistance against Kanter anyway.  

Bottom line for me is that if the coach is reluctant to play him against Kanter, then he is a waste of a roster space.

(02-14-2021, 10:48 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line for me is that if the coach is reluctant to play him against Kanter, then he is a waste of a roster space.

Okay, maybe. But, I think the more pressing issues are the wastes of roster space occupying the 10th through 14th spots, not so much the guy in the 15th spot.

I never expect Boban to play. I don’t know any team that does expect their 15th guy to play.

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I do expect @"fifteenth" to post more, however.

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I, personally, would much rather have Barea on this team than Boban. But nobody in that spot would be playing, I don’t think.

Good loss. This team just isn't good enough to beat a good team like Portland. It should have been a 2nd half blowout but that 4th quarter gave them a chance.

Every team heads into games against the Mavs knowing that they can shoot lights out from 3 against us...it doesn't matter if they are good or bad. So a Top-10 shooting team like Portland can drain threes with ease, tough to win like that.

Mavs defense just isn't good enough...maybe that falls on Jamahl Mosley, who I don't think is that good in his defensive coordinator role.

(02-14-2021, 10:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, maybe. But, I think the more pressing issues are the wastes of roster space occupying the 10th through 14th spots, not so much the guy in the 15th spot.

I never expect Boban to play. I don’t know any team that does expect their 15th guy to play.

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I do expect @"fifteenth" to post more, however.

Fif is smart. Doing the right thing. 

They gave Boban that contract not to be a 15th man.  The problem I have is that we are missing that physical element on this team and it hurts us game after game. If Boban cannot get off the bench cut him and scour for someone who can. I was suggesting Amir Johnson the other day. I would be fine with a 6’7” strong guy who might not be a good scorer. Anyone to bring some physicality for 10 mins a game.

(02-14-2021, 10:54 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs defense just isn't good enough...maybe that falls on Jamahl Mosley, who I don't think is that good in his defensive coordinator role.

Yeah, that’s weird...I thought that Zach Guthrie dude from Utah was coming to run the defense. But, Carlisle sure did call Mosley “our defensive guy” the other day.

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(02-14-2021, 10:56 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]The problem I have is that we are missing that physical element on this team and it hurts us game after game. If Boban cannot get off the bench cut him and scour for someone who can. I was suggesting Amir Johnson the other day. I would be fine with a 6’7” strong guy who might not be a good scorer. Anyone to bring some physicality for 10 mins a game.

Agree that the bigs are the problem, and that they are the problem because they’re soft.

Having said that, I actually did think WCS handled the Lillard drives pretty well tonight. I would tell you what I think about Porzingis, but I don’t want to dig my “KP hater” hole any deeper.

I don’t think Boban is the solution for any NBA team in any situation. I could not care less whether he is on the team right now or not. If you really think that they would use the spot for someone better, then I think you have grounds to be upset that he’s here, but I do not believe that.

(02-14-2021, 10:54 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]Good loss. This team just isn't good enough to beat a good team like Portland. It should have been a 2nd half blowout but that 4th quarter gave them a chance.

Every team heads into games against the Mavs knowing that they can shoot lights out from 3 against us...it doesn't matter if they are good or bad. So a Top-10 shooting team like Portland can drain threes with ease, tough to win like that.

Mavs defense just isn't good enough...maybe that falls on Jamahl Mosley, who I don't think is that good in his defensive coordinator role.

I think our perimeter defenders are actually not that bad, but because there is no interior help defense our perimeter defenders are reluctant to body up and force the shooters to drive.  Also everyone know when players have the confidence that they can go the paint and score easily anytime the defender guards the tight, then suddenly everything starts falling.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are 7-3 in their last 10.  Ugghh, hate the Spurs.

(02-14-2021, 10:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that’s weird...I thought that Zach Guthrie dude from Utah was coming to run the defense. But, Carlisle sure did call Mosley “our defensive guy” the other day.

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Agree that the bigs are the problem, and that they are the problem because they’re soft.

Having said that, I actually did think WCS handled the Lillard drives pretty well tonight. I would tell you what I think about Porzingis, but I don’t want to dig my “KP hater” hole any deeper.

I am still hoping he is not back to full strength. At certain stretches last year he was a defensive force and looked like the perfect modern center. We need one more physical guy though.

Tough loss for a full strength Mavs team on their home floor against a team missing a key player. The Blazers have real NBA athletes, the Mavs don’t. That was the difference. The good news is that against expectations, the Blazers win probably doesn’t elevate Dame over Luka for the last starting spot in the All Star game. I thought it would. But, Luka clearly outplayed him. Then again, the fact that the Mavs lost to a team missing a bona fide all star despite one of the most spectacular games you’ll see out of Luka is itself an indictment of the roster. Increasingly, it appears this season and however many more we get until Luka is free to leave will be about appreciating incredible individual performances by a transcendent player on an otherwise deficient team. Given the lack of trade options and premium draft picks and the poor free agent class, it’s getting difficult to see how the Mavs can build a roster worthy of Luka.  They’re going to have to reset.

(02-14-2021, 10:56 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]Fif is smart. Doing the right thing. 

They gave Boban that contract not to be a 15th man.  The problem I have is that we are missing that physical element on this team and it hurts us game after game. If Boban cannot get off the bench cut him and scour for someone who can. I was suggesting Amir Johnson the other day. I would be fine with a 6’7” strong guy who might not be a good scorer. Anyone to bring some physicality for 10 mins a game.

I thought that's what they brought James Johnson in for?  He hasn't even got off the bench lately.

(02-14-2021, 11:09 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Tough loss for a full strength Mavs team on their home floor against a team missing a key player. The Blazers have real NBA athletes, the Mavs don’t. That was the difference. The good news is that against expectations, the Blazers win probably doesn’t elevate Dame over Luka for the last starting spot in the All Star game. I thought it would. But, Luka clearly outplayed him. Then again, the fact that the Mavs lost to a team missing a bona fide all star despite one of the most spectacular games you’ll see out of Luka is itself an indictment of the roster. Increasingly, it appears this season and however many more we get until Luka is free to leave will be about appreciating incredible individual performances by a transcendent player on an otherwise deficient team. Given the lack of trade options and premium draft picks and the poor free agent class, it’s getting difficult to see how the Mavs can build a roster worthy of Luka.  They’re going to have to reset.

They were missing Nurkic, Collins as well as CJ. They are a big part of their core, yet they found a way to win this game.

(02-14-2021, 11:09 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]it’s getting difficult to see how the Mavs can build a roster worthy of Luka

I am not so harsh on this team, I still think there is a lot of potential. But, last three opportunities to improve the team were just bad, which is showing more and more.

1. Summer of 2019, better known as "the summer of we like stars" resulted in Wright as key addition from a 30+ mil of cap space.
2. No moves at TDL 2020, letting the Lee contract expire.
3. In 2020 FA, we basically just switched one rotation player for another (Curry-Richardson trade). The rest were fringe rotation players Burke and WCS and a bunch of guys that don't play at all, including 4 rookies and Iwundu. 

Could be, the Mavs are playing the long game. But then one would expect more minutes for rookies. This is exactly what I was talking about why Mavs should trade picks. They had far more value draft night than they do now.

(02-14-2021, 11:09 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Tough loss for a full strength Mavs team on their home floor against a team missing a key player. The Blazers have real NBA athletes, the Mavs don’t. That was the difference. The good news is that against expectations, the Blazers win probably doesn’t elevate Dame over Luka for the last starting spot in the All Star game. I thought it would. But, Luka clearly outplayed him. Then again, the fact that the Mavs lost to a team missing a bona fide all star despite one of the most spectacular games you’ll see out of Luka is itself an indictment of the roster. Increasingly, it appears this season and however many more we get until Luka is free to leave will be about appreciating incredible individual performances by a transcendent player on an otherwise deficient team. Given the lack of trade options and premium draft picks and the poor free agent class, it’s getting difficult to see how the Mavs can build a roster worthy of Luka.  They’re going to have to reset.

Teams have found a way to reset with less. They cashed their chips in on KP and so far it has not worked out. Do you give it more time or make a quick decision to move on. To me that one decision and what they can get for him if they move on will have a lot of bearing on how long Luka stays here.

Hypermav Wrote:Time to start another run.  Although the Pistons beat the Nets and the Celtics recently. Delon Wright revenge game

Don't look past Detroit. They play hard and together despite their record. Beat New Orleans tonight, and Wright, Grant, Saddiq Bey, Plumlee and Josh Jackson have been lights out, and they just picked up reclamation project, DSJ.   Dallas will be favored obviously, but tread lightly.

The Mavs are in love with KP because they see Dirk with + defensive ability. The truth is KP is not either. 

If I am the Mavericks I trade him this year and there are options out there for the Mavericks to do that. KP needs to be on a team where he is the best player and can be the alpha. 

I would also say that I think the selfish discussion was related to KP. His effort and concentration on defense does not match what I see from him on offense. 

You cannot win with your highest paid player having that mentality. Weather we admit it or not that matters in the locker room especially for guys like Richardson that have had to grind for everything. Josh Richardson visibly showed frustration with KP in this game when KP didn't show in a pick and roll. 

If I am the Mavs I get rid of KP and Richardson as soon as possible.

(02-14-2021, 10:40 PM)hakeemfan Wrote: [ -> ]No one on our team was stopping Lillard anyway. So if Boban gets caught in a few switches, so what?  Kanter is the same on the defensive end. Yet Stotts uses him. I am not even asking for Boban in every game. But against players like Kanter if he cannot get in, then as I said earlier the Mavs should just cut him today.

Same obvious comparison of course jumped out at me watching Kanter used effectively as well.  

Of course Boban could not have hurt the team in so many of these situations where its obvious they are not going out defend or out 3-point shoot some of these teams that can play the same way Dallas does anyway and do it better.  They can match Dallas shooter for shooter and then do other things too like hurt the Mavs inside with big guys like Jokic, Ayton and Kanter. 

How could he hurt?  An L would still be an L and some of these are obvious losses just watching the flow of the game such as against the Suns.  

Your small guys and athletic guys and clutch guys were simply not better than their small guys and athletic guys and clutch guys.  Once you got past Luka, you had no clear advantage to press. 
Boban always has an advantage to press, even if he has a disadvantage. 

At any rate its a philosophical issue.  That way of playing simply doesn't have a place in Rick Carlisle's basketball world at this point.  This same issue was actually present with other offensive minded and traditional centers in Carlisle's system pretty much since Tyson Chandler left, long before Boban arrived. 
Guys like Kaman, Dalembert, Mejri, Pachulia, Javale McGee all were frustrated with inconsistent usage even if they played well in any game under Coach-Post-Game-Is-Dead-Carlisle.  

Those last 2 centers actually left Dallas and won NBA championships with other teams who found ways to use them effectively.  

Even when Carlisle plays Boban, he uses him like he's Willie Cauley Stein on offense rather than Shaquille O'neal or Tim Duncan.  He would just as well not play him although Boban does often post a better +/- than other Mavs despite poor usage.  

They should trade him for something useful and let the man see if he has a career left somewhere in the NBA.  Heck even JJ Berea could leave and play basketball somewhere even if it's international. 

I'm fairly certain that Kanter would suffer a similar usage fate if he played in Dallas.

(02-14-2021, 10:33 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Delon Wright revenge game

Ya, he's gonna come out with a vengeance!