Fallen Angels

[FireNicoHarrison]

Mayo was the real fallen Angel here...

[HIMAV]

Mayo was the real fallen Angel here...

I also would count Mayo's replacement, Monta Ellis.

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Ooof, "Fallen Angels" was an 80s made for TV movie that tortured my young soul as a kid. "Stranger Danger" and all.

[hakeemfaan]

My favorite Mavs reclamation was Jerry Stackhouse. When the Mavs got him, his reputation was an old, disgruntled, egotistic ball stopper, a volatile and inefficient scorer who's game didn't translate to winning.

But Stack was an awesome 6th man in Dallas. Tough as nails.

Looking back, it turns out he was only 30 when he was traded to Dallas.

...and as a matter of fact, Stackhouse and Mathurin are incredibly similar in a lot of ways.

I loved Stack but he went cold in the 2006 Finals.  Couldn't hit an outside jumper at all.

That was the thing I remembered most about the Fallen Angels, other than Monta...and even Monta to some extent.  Whatever negatives fans from their previous teams had about their games, those negatives never really went away.  Yes we tend to get excited and hope for the best and talk about how our organization would do a better job, but things didn't change much for those players.

The only thing different these days is that the players come out even younger, and so there is a higher chance that they were not ready to succeed both mentally and physically in their first stint. So I see the rationale for hope.  However, Risacher and Jett were basically just given away after being high picks.   Let's not discount how bad they have to be for teams to just basically give up on a high pick from a couple of years ago.. If either of them succeeds here..great. Not having any high hopes though.

[myconsumerclub]

If guys do not work out on teams that draft them that is not something that we can deduce to mean they are obviously trash from now on and can never be reclaimed and redeemed so go ahead and retire guys.

When that happens soul searching is needed and that drive that made them want to be a professional athlete is called on to rebuild their career and get back to working hard at it every day.

Maybe they decide to get up earlier and try harder and so they work out more effectively and start performing better ever so slowly and they dedicate their life to correcting their imperfections and mistakes so they redouble efforts to develop their game and improve the areas of their game that they can consider strengths and as they are happy there they can then focus on their ridding their game of weaknesses

Also they can study how the body works and study ways to legally improve their body using science and natural medicine to give themselves advantages as they avoid foods and supps or things that can harm their health so that for example they must learn why they need to avoid steroids and use positive natural proteins that help you develop muscles. I would study the research on proteins and all the studies done on growing muscle. I would avoid fluoridated water and vaccines I would treat my body like it is the holy temple of God that the bible says it is.

The whole team needs to be antagonistic towards accepted norms in medicine so that alternatives and innovative new healthcare breakthroughs can be discovered and made available as options to players.

here is a guy I see online and he covers how we can fix injured tendons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nDyPljQY34

[hakeemfaan]

If guys do not work out on teams that draft them that is not something that we can deduce to mean they are obviously trash from now on and can never be reclaimed and redeemed so go ahead and retire guys.

When that happens soul searching is needed and that drive that made them want to be a professional athlete is called on to rebuild their career and get back to working hard at it every day.

Maybe they decide to get up earlier and try harder and so they work out more effectively and start performing better ever so slowly and they dedicate their life to correcting their imperfections and mistakes so they redouble efforts to develop their game and improve the areas of their game that they can consider  strengths and as they are happy there they can then focus on their ridding their game of weaknesses

Also they can study how the body works and study ways to legally improve their body using science and natural medicine to give themselves advantages as they avoid foods and supps or things that can harm their health so that for example they must learn why they need to avoid steroids and use positive natural proteins that help you develop muscles. I would study the research on proteins and all the studies done on growing muscle. I would avoid fluoridated water and vaccines I would treat my body like it is the holy temple of God that the bible says it is.

The whole team needs to be antagonistic towards accepted norms in medicine so that alternatives and innovative new healthcare breakthroughs can be discovered and made available as options to players.

here is a guy I see online and he covers how we can fix injured tendons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nDyPljQY34

I don't think anyone called them trash. Anyone who makes the NBA is not trash. They are elite players to make it here. If they don't cut it in the league it just means their previous stop, be it college or elsewhere, was their ceiling, but that's a darn high ceiling as well.  

I just said based on past experiences, if one of them works out well, I look it as a pure bonus, but I'm not getting excited or placing too much hope in these reclamation projects. I also said that with the players coming out younger than in previous years, there might be a chance that some of them will break out in their 2nd stint, but again, I'm not going to put too much hope in that. 

I'm also not sure how vaccinations suddenly made an appearance in this thread.