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(01-07-2025, 03:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @MavsFilmRoom
Brian Windhorst says that the Mavericks have been “one of the most active teams on the phone this trade season”
He says that Maxi Kleber & Quentin Grimes “are players who have a market” when it comes to Mavs trade assets.
I could honestly see Kleber being worth a little something to a team that plans to use him at center. Not a ton, but something.
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Still hard for me to grapple with trading 2 obvious positive guys. I’d have to see the return if we’re including Grimes in a deal. He’s low key become one of my favorite Mavs.
We haven’t even really seen this team healthy. The little we’ve seen they’ve looked dominant
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(01-07-2025, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I could honestly see Kleber being worth a little something to a team that plans to use him at center. Not a ton, but something.
Definitely. I can’t help feeling this is one of those “he’s worth more to us than he is to you,” situations though. Unless they really want to get off his $ for next season, which would make sense. That contract is only going to become more valuable as it gets closer to expiring though. Seems like we need to keep some medium sized contracts around to include with Gafford if a bigger deal comes our way this summer.
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I don't get trading Grimes now. He's exactly what a Luka led team needs. Can defend at a high level, shoot the three ball at a high level, and can attack closeouts. His handles have even been better than most expected.
I know the Mavs don't have monopoly money, so contracts matter when building a team. He'd just be in my long-term plans is all.
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(01-07-2025, 04:03 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Still hard for me to grapple with trading 2 obvious positive guys. I’d have to see the return if we’re including Grimes in a deal. He’s low key become one of my favorite Mavs.
We haven’t even really seen this team healthy. The little we’ve seen they’ve looked dominant
I don't want them to trade Grimes, either, and the Windhorst rumor doesn't explicitly say they're shopping him, just that they're working the phones and that those two have markets. The Grimes interest could be incoming, not because of him being shopped, I guess.
Then again, he didn't accept their extension offer. If that was as high as they're willing to go, and they know they won't match what they believe he's likely to be offered this summer...I can see it, especially if they're starting to question whether this team will be healthy enough to contend this year.
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Grimes does look like a keeper to me too. We need as many two way guys as we can get and he shouldn’t break the bank this summer to re-sign or match. I would imagine they’ll only deal Grimes if a deal comes along that they really like.
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(01-07-2025, 04:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't want them to trade Grimes, either, and the Windhorst rumor doesn't explicitly say they're shopping him, just that they're working the phones and that those two have markets. The Grimes interest could be incoming, not because of him being shopped, I guess.
Then again, he didn't accept their extension offer. If that was as high as they're willing to go, and they know they won't match what they believe he's likely to be offered this summer...I can see it, especially if they're starting to question whether this team will be healthy enough to contend this year.
It would be a fascinating development to see them suddenly become sellers and stockpile draft capital in what appear to be two back to back stacked draft classes. I don’t think it’ll happen, but they also have to contend with a bunch of guys needing new contracts and apron ramifications. It’s just amazing having a FO that is merely capable of seeing a few moves ahead. I trust them to get it right, just need Kidd’s buy-in. The coach is always the last to concede. Not saying we are there yet, but it’s an interesting development that we are even having the conversation.
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The Mavs need Maxi to be the old Maxi - He is not.
The Mavs need Hardy to be more Kyrie than he his Tim Hardaway Jr. - He is not.
Those are the only real holes in the roster, when healthy.
Now that your two superstars are out, you just stand pat unless you can turn those two into something close to one of what you need those two to be.
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01-07-2025, 04:36 PM
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If there’s a way to get out of Kleber‘s contract without giving up something of value I’d be on board. The extension looks bad right now and despite some good stretches here & there he has not been worth his salary. Age-wise he’s also up there and we have plenty of other guys who will need to be signed to new deals soon so it makes sense to open up his spot again.
I would not trade Grimes. They’ll have matching rights on him and with his bench role in mind it’s hard for him to really earn his way out of what the team can afford to pay him. I hope he stays here and expect him to win over Klay’s spot within a season or two.
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01-07-2025, 04:38 PM
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(01-07-2025, 04:21 PM)Smitty Wrote: The Mavs need Maxi to be the old Maxi - He is not.
The Mavs need Hardy to be more Kyrie than he his Tim Hardaway Jr. - He is not.
Those are the only real holes in the roster, when healthy.
Now that your two superstars are out, you just stand pat unless you can turn those two into something close to one of what you need those two to be.
Maxi+Hardy is an exact salary match for Herb Jones. Saves the Mavs ~$3M next year also.
Mavs have 2 tradable FRP’s.
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(01-07-2025, 04:38 PM)Smitty Wrote: Maxi+Hardy is an exact salary match for Herb Jones. Saves the Mavs ~$3M next year also.
Mavs have 2 tradable FRP’s.
If only…no way that’s enough though.
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The Grimes and Maxi mention is interesting. Part of me thinks the Mavs are doing due dilegince like most teams, but on the other hand Nico is aggressive and they will move if they find something they like. The Mavs really don't have a lot of things to offer though.
I assume Maxi has little value, so to me that tells me they are willing to give up their first this year. I would probably not do that now. I think that first could be more valuable later. Also, I am not sure our first and Maxi gets back a whole lot to be honest. Although, maybe a bad team who wants to bet against us may get us someone solid.
The Grimes thing is intereing. I think he has been good for the most part. Although, I am still uncertain how Kidd is going to land on Marshall and Grimes. His performance didn't stick out last night, but only got 28 miutes. Did have 6 assists and 6 rebounds. I just feel at times, Kidd isn't happy with his performance at times. He would be a keeper for me.
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(01-07-2025, 04:21 PM)Smitty Wrote: The Mavs need Maxi to be the old Maxi - He is not.
The Mavs need Hardy to be more Kyrie than he his Tim Hardaway Jr. - He is not.
Those are the only real holes in the roster, when healthy.
Now that your two superstars are out, you just stand pat unless you can turn those two into something close to one of what you need those two to be.
I think that is fair. I think Maxi stays. I just not sure you get anything for him now. I would like some protection though. Either with Marshall or a PF brought in. Boy, this is a major missed opportunity for Omax. He just hasn't grabbed it. I think Maxi can be a wild card in a series. I just don't want to trust him in a series.
I would combine Hardy and Dinwiddie. Kidd has much more trust in Dinwiddie. I think he found a role here as a 15-18 minute guy when Luka and Kyrie are healthy. The more you watch him when either are out, the more I think you don't want him more minutes than that in a big game. I also have a feeling he may not be the easiest teammate. Just a hunch.
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(01-07-2025, 05:34 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think that is fair. I think Maxi stays. I just not sure you get anything for him now. I would like some protection though. Either with Marshall or a PF brought in. Boy, this is a major missed opportunity for Omax. He just hasn't grabbed it. I think Maxi can be a wild card in a series. I just don't want to trust him in a series.
IF the Mavs make a trade, I’m 99.9% certain Maxi is outgoing.
I agree on Omax. I was, and still am, rooting for the kid but he hasn’t looked ready at all.
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(01-07-2025, 05:31 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: The Grimes thing is intereing. I think he has been good for the most part. Although, I am still uncertain how Kidd is going to land on Marshall and Grimes. His performance didn't stick out last night, but only got 28 miutes. Did have 6 assists and 6 rebounds. I just feel at times, Kidd isn't happy with his performance at times. He would be a keeper for me.
Grimes is exactly the type of shooting guard who fits best next to Luka.
Good defender, decent handles, can get his own shot and create for others, can shoot the 3 at high rate with very good percentages.
If it weren't for Kyrie, and probably Nico's assurance Thompson starts -- Grimes would be the team's starter.
Dinwiddie only gets more time since Kidd has this love for ballhandlers who likes to call their own numbers LOL. Grimes is hovering at the 4th to 5th best Mav, and Kidd wants Dinwiddie.  What a loser.
NOTE: Grimes is gonna be expensive, but the Mavs should find ways to keep him. He is going to make a jump after this season, and the Mavs would be in Brunson-like-what-could-have-been sorry state once again.
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(01-07-2025, 07:25 PM)Smitty Wrote: IF the Mavs make a trade, I’m 99.9% certain Maxi is outgoing.
I agree on Omax. I was, and still am, rooting for the kid but he hasn’t looked ready at all.
Maxi, Omax and Hardy.
Anyone, any two or all of them packaged together is gonna be the wise trade.
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Maxi looked decent as a backup center. Much better than as a power forward. Maybe that’s his future if the Mavs trade Gaff.
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(01-07-2025, 09:48 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Maxi looked decent as a backup center. Much better than as a power forward. Maybe that’s his future if the Mavs trade Gaff.
Not sure it means they'll trade Gafford, but it has been obvious for YEARS that Kleber is a center, not a forward. Someone really smart has been saying so around here nonstop. I can't remember who.
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I would be deeply annoyed if they traded away Grimes, unless it was for a better version of Grimes. I can't think who that player would be.
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I agree with board concern regarding Grimes being mentioned at all in trade discussions. One of the many negatives of the current injury situation is that Grimes is going to get a lot more minutes and potentially jack up his price.
One interesting scenario that I have not seen suggested. If the Mavs are concerned with Grimes costing too much, and Herb Jones actually is available for the right price, some kind of package centered around Grimes + first for Jones might make some sense. I don't know if Maxi + Grimes + first works (it does in NBA trade machine) but that would make sense from an overall minutes standpoint.
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