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RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - HoosierDaddyKid - 02-29-2020
(02-29-2020, 10:26 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote:(02-29-2020, 09:16 PM)mtrot Wrote: Rockets small ball not working too well vs the Celts so far tonight. Rockets have only 23 points with 9 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter. Boston is challenging every shot, and Houston has no big center to get the ball to inside.
You may have spoke too soon, they have the lead 83-80, early in the 4th. Have to admit, Westbrook is playing fantastic this year.
(02-29-2020, 11:04 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: Harden choked. Turnovers and missed shots with good lead let Celts back in down stretch. Boston just made a miracle missed FT made 3 to get OT.
Betting Harden chucks up some more missed 3’s in OT.
No lie, Russ is carrying the Rox. He has changed his game and stopped taking 3’s. And is tearing it up ever since.
Hoping Rox lose here.
Welp, Houston pulled it out in OT, 111-110. They're 10-2 since going small. Westbrook had 41 pts and it was his 15th game of 30 or more pts since Jan 1st. Most in the NBA.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - mtrot - 02-29-2020
(02-29-2020, 10:26 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote:Yep, the Rockets played tenacious defense and Boston wilted a bit, couldn't get decent looks. They are going to be a hard out.(02-29-2020, 09:16 PM)mtrot Wrote: Rockets small ball not working too well vs the Celts so far tonight. Rockets have only 23 points with 9 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter. Boston is challenging every shot, and Houston has no big center to get the ball to inside.
You may have spoke too soon, they have the lead 83-80, early in the 4th. Have to admit, Westbrook is playing fantastic this year.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - SleepingHero - 03-01-2020
(02-29-2020, 11:20 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Welp, Houston pulled it out in OT, 111-110. They're 10-2 since going small. Westbrook had 41 pts and it was his 15th game of 30 or more pts since Jan 1st. Most in the NBA.
At some point all these minutes are going to catch up with Houston. Westbrook 43, Harden 40, Pj Tucker and RoCo at 39 and 38 respectively.
And this isn't an isolated game. Westbrook at over 38mpg these last 14 games. Harden at 36mpg. Gotta be reasonable to think they'll be gassed come playoff time no?
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 03-01-2020
^^
Russ is gold since he changed. They will wear out too. Small lineup is working for now but won’t in playoffs
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1233971329239375872
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - IamDougieFresh - 03-01-2020
Kind of crazy to think about... if the Clippers don't win a championship with George and Leonard, the trade with OKC may go down as the worst ever.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - SleepingHero - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 01:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Kind of crazy to think about... if the Clippers don't win a championship with George and Leonard, the trade with OKC may go down as the worst ever.
While the Clips did give up a boatload of picks, I don't think any trade will beat the Nets trading 3 first round picks and a pick swap (along with everything else) for 36 year old Paul Pierce and 37 year old Kevin Garnett.
Clips at least got a superstar still in his prime in return for all of their picks.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - IamDougieFresh - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 01:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:(03-01-2020, 01:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Kind of crazy to think about... if the Clippers don't win a championship with George and Leonard, the trade with OKC may go down as the worst ever.
While the Clips did give up a boatload of picks, I don't think any trade will beat the Nets trading 3 first round picks and a pick swap (along with everything else) for 36 year old Paul Pierce and 37 year old Kevin Garnett.
Clips at least got a superstar still in his prime in return for all of their picks.
While it's true that trading for two washed up players is worse than trading for Paul George, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if you win it all. If Brooklyn made that trade and won the title that year, it would have been worth it. Easy to say it was terrible in hindsight, but on paper, D-Will, Joe Johnson, Pierce, KG, Lopez would be considered a scary lineup that should have been able to at least make it to the east finals.
If the Clippers win, it was worth it. If they fail, the traded FIVE first round picks and two pick swaps. They will be starting their rebuild in 2027 and their GM better hope he has a title or two by then.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 03-01-2020
Question. How long is KL deal? And PG has been oft injured this year, playing bad based on his past. But they do look more built for playoffs. Jackson may give them the bench boost they need too.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - SleepingHero - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 10:36 AM)ThunderMav Wrote: Question. How long is KL deal? And PG has been oft injured this year, playing bad based on his past. But they do look more built for playoffs. Jackson may give them the bench boost they need too.
Both PG and Leonard have player options for the summer of 2021, the same summer as the Giannis sweepstakes.
So the Clips basically have this year and next year to do something.
(03-01-2020, 05:07 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:(03-01-2020, 01:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:(03-01-2020, 01:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Kind of crazy to think about... if the Clippers don't win a championship with George and Leonard, the trade with OKC may go down as the worst ever.
While the Clips did give up a boatload of picks, I don't think any trade will beat the Nets trading 3 first round picks and a pick swap (along with everything else) for 36 year old Paul Pierce and 37 year old Kevin Garnett.
Clips at least got a superstar still in his prime in return for all of their picks.
While it's true that trading for two washed up players is worse than trading for Paul George, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if you win it all. If Brooklyn made that trade and won the title that year, it would have been worth it. Easy to say it was terrible in hindsight, but on paper, D-Will, Joe Johnson, Pierce, KG, Lopez would be considered a scary lineup that should have been able to at least make it to the east finals.
If the Clippers win, it was worth it. If they fail, the traded FIVE first round picks and two pick swaps. They will be starting their rebuild in 2027 and their GM better hope he has a title or two by then.
That's fair. But if your barometer for every trade is "did they win the title that year?", then almost every trade isn't worth it, which we know isn't true.
The purpose of the Clips trade was quite clear, and was the ultimate win-now move, just like the Nets, so it makes sense to judge both trades by that barometer, but at least the Clips still got a tremendous player in his prime that they can theoretically flip if they choose to do so to try and recoup some assets. Obviously they won't because it'd be antithetical for trading for PG in the first place, but if the Clips really wanted to, they could definitely get at least 3 picks back for PG.
But what made the Nets trade so bad was that they did exactly what the Clips did, but they did it for 2 significantly worse, not-even-close-to-their prime players. It'd be like trading 3 firsts for Andre Igoudala today. It left them bereft, and no clear way out when their oft-injured lineup couldn't rise to the task.
That's why I judge the Nets trade so harshly. I thought it was a dumb trade the moment it occurred, and the fact that you say the ONLY way to make that trade worth it was to win the title, it proves that the trade was terrible, because winning the title is a very hard thing to do. If the Clips don't win the title this year, they're still in a very good place. The Nets couldn't say the same in 2013.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-01-2020
SleepingHero Wrote:HoosierDaddyKid Wrote:Welp, Houston pulled it out in OT, 111-110. They're 10-2 since going small. Westbrook had 41 pts and it was his 15th game of 30 or more pts since Jan 1st. Most in the NBA.
At some point all these minutes are going to catch up with Houston. Westbrook 43, Harden 40, Pj Tucker and RoCo at 39 and 38 respectively.
And this isn't an isolated game. Westbrook at over 38mpg these last 14 games. Harden at 36mpg. Gotta be reasonable to think they'll be gassed come playoff time no?
I would tend to agree, except for Westbrook. He's a freakin robot. I've never seen him bent over, hands on his knees trying to catch his breath.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - dirkfansince1998 - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 12:46 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote:SleepingHero Wrote:HoosierDaddyKid Wrote:Welp, Houston pulled it out in OT, 111-110. They're 10-2 since going small. Westbrook had 41 pts and it was his 15th game of 30 or more pts since Jan 1st. Most in the NBA.
At some point all these minutes are going to catch up with Houston. Westbrook 43, Harden 40, Pj Tucker and RoCo at 39 and 38 respectively.
And this isn't an isolated game. Westbrook at over 38mpg these last 14 games. Harden at 36mpg. Gotta be reasonable to think they'll be gassed come playoff time no?
I would tend to agree, except for Westbrook. He's a freakin robot. I've never seen him bent over, hands on his knees trying to catch his breath.
Watch some 2017 or 2018 OKC games. Exhausted Westbrook settles for jumpshots. Will be interesting to see how they manage the minutes of both Harden and RW in the playoffs.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 03-01-2020
^^^
He wasn’t taking those shots due to exhaustion it was several other factors. Teams were loading up on PG and we never had any good outside shooting. The paint was so packed it took a can opener to get an easy bucket. And Russ could not resist taking open 3’s. It was defenses strategy to goad him into them.
Rox will struggle as defenses take over more in playoffs. Game planning is much bigger due to several games vs one team. In reg season not much game planning goes into games due to schedule.
Someone here mentioned it but Rox seemed to go centerless to open up the paint more for Russ. Its a bold strategy but working. In OKC Adams drew attention and then the player on Russ held back so it was tougher sledding and he took 3’s.
Ironically for OKC, Gallo is the player they needed for the last several seasons and never had. Look back at Robes who couldn’t shoot. Gallo can shoot and its helped open up CP and Adams more. Rox went opposite and opened up paint by not having a center. It is working in reg season but playoffs it will close up and then Rox will live and die by 3.
By the way, its a great discussion and all posters have some great points.
Good info about Rox:
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1233976938303193088
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Kammrath - 03-01-2020
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1234201194035326982
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Mavs2019 - 03-01-2020
Willy putting on a show against the Bucks. 10/13/4/2 +11 in 20 minutes. Imho he´s worth a minimum spot.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Kammrath - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 02:57 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Willy putting on a show against the Bucks. 10/13/4/2 +11 in 20 minutes. Imho he´s worth a minimum spot.
I think he is worth more than that, IF he is the kind of guy RC will play.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 12:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:(03-01-2020, 10:36 AM)ThunderMav Wrote: Question. How long is KL deal? And PG has been oft injured this year, playing bad based on his past. But they do look more built for playoffs. Jackson may give them the bench boost they need too.
Both PG and Leonard have player options for the summer of 2021, the same summer as the Giannis sweepstakes.
So the Clips basically have this year and next year to do something.
(03-01-2020, 05:07 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:(03-01-2020, 01:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:(03-01-2020, 01:22 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Kind of crazy to think about... if the Clippers don't win a championship with George and Leonard, the trade with OKC may go down as the worst ever.
While the Clips did give up a boatload of picks, I don't think any trade will beat the Nets trading 3 first round picks and a pick swap (along with everything else) for 36 year old Paul Pierce and 37 year old Kevin Garnett.
Clips at least got a superstar still in his prime in return for all of their picks.
While it's true that trading for two washed up players is worse than trading for Paul George, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is if you win it all. If Brooklyn made that trade and won the title that year, it would have been worth it. Easy to say it was terrible in hindsight, but on paper, D-Will, Joe Johnson, Pierce, KG, Lopez would be considered a scary lineup that should have been able to at least make it to the east finals.
If the Clippers win, it was worth it. If they fail, the traded FIVE first round picks and two pick swaps. They will be starting their rebuild in 2027 and their GM better hope he has a title or two by then.
That's fair. But if your barometer for every trade is "did they win the title that year?", then almost every trade isn't worth it, which we know isn't true.
The purpose of the Clips trade was quite clear, and was the ultimate win-now move, just like the Nets, so it makes sense to judge both trades by that barometer, but at least the Clips still got a tremendous player in his prime that they can theoretically flip if they choose to do so to try and recoup some assets. Obviously they won't because it'd be antithetical for trading for PG in the first place, but if the Clips really wanted to, they could definitely get at least 3 picks back for PG.
But what made the Nets trade so bad was that they did exactly what the Clips did, but they did it for 2 significantly worse, not-even-close-to-their prime players. It'd be like trading 3 firsts for Andre Igoudala today. It left them bereft, and no clear way out when their oft-injured lineup couldn't rise to the task.
That's why I judge the Nets trade so harshly. I thought it was a dumb trade the moment it occurred, and the fact that you say the ONLY way to make that trade worth it was to win the title, it proves that the trade was terrible, because winning the title is a very hard thing to do. If the Clips don't win the title this year, they're still in a very good place. The Nets couldn't say the same in 2013.
Agreed. Pierce and KG were damn near at the end of their rope, and Terry had a little left. That trade is why Billy King is still unemployed.
Giannis with 41 pts and 20 rebs. Just hand over the MVP trophy now, sheesh...
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 03-01-2020
Harden woke up Giannis even more than already. Can’t wait to see that Rox game in Wisconsin later this month.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - omahen - 03-01-2020
I feel sorry for the Wolves. After all their trades they have literally zero defense and KAT will surely not improve that. What will they do if someone offers 15 per for Beasley and MLE for Hernangomez? If they match, they get over 120 million salary in 2020 with only Johnson coming of the books in 2021.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-01-2020
Did you guys see former Mavs draft pick, Shake Milton light up the Clippers in a 6 pt loss? Career high 39 pts on 14-20 from the field, and 7-9 from 3. Quite a performance.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - hakeemfan - 03-01-2020
If they are going to give Zion calls for basically just ploughing into defenders, might as well forget the division title for the next decade. NBA referees are pathetic.