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RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - MaxiThreeba - 02-20-2020
I’m glad Luka and Trae had the moment they did. Maybe now fans of both can enjoy and appreciate the greatness of the other.
Trae can score the damn basketball. Gone off tonight Atlanta trying to knock off Miami.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Mavs2019 - 02-20-2020
LOL Igoudala -33 in a five point loss.
Malik Monk finally happening? 17 PPG last 10, 21 PPG last 5 (~ 56/50/90)
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 02-20-2020
(02-20-2020, 10:04 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: I’m glad Luka and Trae had the moment they did. Maybe now fans of both can enjoy and appreciate the greatness of the other.
Trae can score the damn basketball. Gone off tonight Atlanta trying to knock off Miami.
Good points. Trae will be a high scorer in his career however he is one of the worst defenders and I’m not sure he can overcome that. It will take a lot of energy to improve which will hurt his offensive game imo. Luka has a more rounded game yet can still score big if needed. Overall Luka will add more value to his franchise than Trae. Both are fun to watch but I like to see players defend as much as score.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - dirkfansince1998 - 02-20-2020
(02-20-2020, 06:20 PM)ThunderMav Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:30 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:15 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: I think Harden is the Rox problem.
Of course he is. As Westbrook was yoursThere kind of play can't lead to trophies, despite their excellent individual qualities
I would argue Westbrook is outplaying Harden this year at least the last 2 months
Disagree. Westbrook takes advantage of Hardens gravity. Teams are game planning against Harden. Not Westbrook. Westbrook has been doing a better job taking advantage of his opportunities since christmas but he isn´t getting double teamed at the 3-point line.
Overall I agree with Omahen. That´s why I want Luka to develop a more diverse skill set. Just spamming isos or high pick and roll won´t work in the playoffs.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - mtrot - 02-21-2020
Covington again going off for the Rockets tonight. Wish we could have gotten him.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - luka_skywalker_77 - 02-21-2020
Covington looking like a beast. And I think there were a few here that thought that way. Too many people here undervalued him...
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - mtrot - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 12:13 AM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: Covington looking like a beast. And I think there were a few here that thought that way. Too many people here undervalued him...Lol, I've been lobbying to get him for several years.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - MaxiThreeba - 02-21-2020
(02-20-2020, 11:50 PM)ThunderMav Wrote:(02-20-2020, 10:04 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: I’m glad Luka and Trae had the moment they did. Maybe now fans of both can enjoy and appreciate the greatness of the other.
Trae can score the damn basketball. Gone off tonight Atlanta trying to knock off Miami.
Good points. Trae will be a high scorer in his career however he is one of the worst defenders and I’m not sure he can overcome that. It will take a lot of energy to improve which will hurt his offensive game imo. Luka has a more rounded game yet can still score big if needed. Overall Luka will add more value to his franchise than Trae. Both are fun to watch but I like to see players defend as much as score.
Luka no doubt more well rounded than Trae. Reddish and Hunter are nice fits around Trae and Capela will make that PnR dynamite.
Hawks might be best served moving Collins and their pick to get a 2nd star.
They will eventually be a playoff team but their Achilles heel will always be Trae and now Capela getting forced to defend the PnR.
Biggest difference is Trae will always need the perfectly formed supporting cast to be a consistent winner. Luka’s all around game is on another level and he has the ability to make things work around him.
Between those two, Zion, SGA, Ja and a ton of other young crazy talents the league is in good hands.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 02-21-2020
(02-20-2020, 11:59 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:(02-20-2020, 06:20 PM)ThunderMav Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:30 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:15 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: I think Harden is the Rox problem.
Of course he is. As Westbrook was yours
I would argue Westbrook is outplaying Harden this year at least the last 2 months
Disagree. Westbrook takes advantage of Hardens gravity. Teams are game planning against Harden. Not Westbrook. Westbrook has been doing a better job taking advantage of his opportunities since christmas but he isn´t getting double teamed at the 3-point line.
Overall I agree with Omahen. That´s why I want Luka to develop a more diverse skill set. Just spamming isos or high pick and roll won´t work in the playoffs.
I would argue Harden is all about 3’s and FTs whereas Russ has to work the paint area and battle to get his points. Tonight is a good example. Looking at scoring it was Harden 29 to Russ 21. A deeper dive shows Harden only made 6 shots (3-12 from 3) to Russ 10 (1-2 from 3). But Harden was gifted 16 FTs to Russ 0. Harden stat pads with FTs and Russ works harder to get his points.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - dirkfansince1998 - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 12:56 AM)ThunderMav Wrote:(02-20-2020, 11:59 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:(02-20-2020, 06:20 PM)ThunderMav Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:30 PM)omahen Wrote:(02-20-2020, 03:15 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: I think Harden is the Rox problem.
Of course he is. As Westbrook was yours
I would argue Westbrook is outplaying Harden this year at least the last 2 months
Disagree. Westbrook takes advantage of Hardens gravity. Teams are game planning against Harden. Not Westbrook. Westbrook has been doing a better job taking advantage of his opportunities since christmas but he isn´t getting double teamed at the 3-point line.
Overall I agree with Omahen. That´s why I want Luka to develop a more diverse skill set. Just spamming isos or high pick and roll won´t work in the playoffs.
I would argue Harden is all about 3’s and FTs whereas Russ has to work the paint area and battle to get his points. Tonight is a good example. Looking at scoring it was Harden 29 to Russ 21. A deeper dive shows Harden only made 6 shots (3-12 from 3) to Russ 10 (1-2 from 3). But Harden was gifted 16 FTs to Russ 0. Harden stat pads with FTs and Russ works harder to get his points.
Harden has teams inventing completly new defensive schemes to stop him. He is the player that teams are trying to stop. That´s why RW has more space than he ever had in his life. You are talking about the optics not the results. In this case Hardens 3s and FTs are more efficient than RWs inside scoring.
Without Harden in the game. Teams could defend RW like they used to do. Sink low and let him shoot jumpers. Double on the drive. That´s not possible right now because Harden is drawing double teams all game long. RW having to work in the paint is more about him lacking a more diverse skill set. He cannot shoot from 3 and doesn´t have the foul drawing ability or touch that make Harden a better offensive player.
I mean it is not even close.
Harden 35pts 62% TS
Westbrook 27pts 53% TS
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 02-21-2020
I think you have to look at recency. Harden has been playing bad the past 2 months and Russ good. Plus Russ stopped taking so many 3’s.
If you take FTs away from both players Russ would be so far ahead in points scored. Harden has 2 elements to his game. 3’s and FTs. Half his FTs are bogus too. Russ is horrible at 3’s but can do all else.
Here is recency:
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1226699852110876672
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - dirkfansince1998 - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 11:13 AM)ThunderMav Wrote: I think you have to look at recency. Harden has been playing bad the past 2 months and Russ good. Plus Russ stopped taking so many 3’s.
If you take FTs away from both players Russ would be so far ahead in points scored. Harden has 2 elements to his game. 3’s and FTs. Half his FTs are bogus too. Russ is horrible at 3’s but can do all else.
Here is recency:
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1226699852110876672
Thing is that if I remove Harden. Westbrook has less space and is forced to take more jumpshots. That´s what happened every single time he was the number 1 option on offense. In Houston that´s not the case. Harden has a Curry/Dirk like gravity. Teams are going all out to stop him and RW takes advantage. We have seen the craziest schemes against Harden. Box and 1. Double teams on the catch. Or the crazy...guard him from behind to prevent a stepback.
Harden goes through hot and cold stretches. He shot terrible early in the season and in january. I don´t like his style of play but the success is undeniable.
Big question mark for both will be the playoffs. They don´t have a good track record and it will be interesting to see if D´Anthony/Morey ball finally works out. Personally I don´t see it.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 11:58 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote:(02-21-2020, 11:13 AM)ThunderMav Wrote: I think you have to look at recency. Harden has been playing bad the past 2 months and Russ good. Plus Russ stopped taking so many 3’s.
If you take FTs away from both players Russ would be so far ahead in points scored. Harden has 2 elements to his game. 3’s and FTs. Half his FTs are bogus too. Russ is horrible at 3’s but can do all else.
Here is recency:
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1226699852110876672
Thing is that if I remove Harden. Westbrook has less space and is forced to take more jumpshots. That´s what happened every single time he was the number 1 option on offense. In Houston that´s not the case. Harden has a Curry/Dirk like gravity. Teams are going all out to stop him and RW takes advantage. We have seen the craziest schemes against Harden. Box and 1. Double teams on the catch. Or the crazy...guard him from behind to prevent a stepback.
Harden goes through hot and cold stretches. He shot terrible early in the season and in january. I don´t like his style of play but the success is undeniable.
Big question mark for both will be the playoffs. They don´t have a good track record and it will be interesting to see if D´Anthony/Morey ball finally works out. Personally I don´t see it.
I concede that Harden does help open things up for Russ.
By the way great discussion! Its nice to be able to discuss a topic with different viewpoints yet done maturely. Thats just one more reason I love this fanbase!
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Hypermav - 02-21-2020
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28728734/ten-nba-things-like-including-fun-dazzling-version-chris-paul
I post this story for the DSJ part. Feel bad for him but glad the Mavs sold high.
"The trade that shall not be named"
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/GpyS1lJXJYupG/giphy.gif)
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Jym - 02-21-2020
(02-21-2020, 02:11 PM)Hypermav Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28728734/ten-nba-things-like-including-fun-dazzling-version-chris-paul
I post this story for the DSJ part. Feel bad for him but glad the Mavs sold high.
"The trade that shall not be named"
So glad we were able to keep Brunson instead
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - ThunderMav - 02-21-2020
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1230948592271216642
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Hypermav - 02-21-2020
Well, if Markieff goes to the Lakers, then that means both Morris Bro's will lose to the Mavs in the playoffs.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - Fuerza1 - 02-21-2020
Trae Young was pretty insane last night: 50 pointer against Miami Heat. This one was for Aaron Gordon.
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - aguiar95 - 02-21-2020
I was starting to think Luka's 1st team All-NBA was getting away from him with the way Lillard was playing while Luka sprained his ankle. With Dame missing two to three weeks and Luka returning, guess it must be pretty close to a lock. How do you guys feel?
RE: Around the NBA 2019-2020 - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 02-21-2020
(02-20-2020, 03:15 PM)ThunderMav Wrote:Possibly the most absurd post in the short history of this forum. Without Harden, the Rockets are the Pistons, Cavaliers, Knicks...(02-20-2020, 12:34 AM)Aussiebballer Wrote:(02-19-2020, 06:12 PM)ThunderMav Wrote: This is such a crazy stat the season is 180 from what I expected.
https://twitter.com/OKCTHUNDERAlex/status/1230249098470539264
Amazing what Paul can do without Harden holding him back
True. I honestly thought CP was done based on all the Rox chatter. I think Harden is the Rox problem.
This year CP3 is leading to Thunder to the same win percentage as Westbrook did last year and he had all NBA Paul George with him. So are you willing to admit CP3 is much better than Russ?
(02-21-2020, 12:12 AM)mtrot Wrote: Covington again going off for the Rockets tonight. Wish we could have gotten him.
He's not any better than DFS though.
(02-21-2020, 12:56 AM)ThunderMav Wrote: I would argue Harden is all about 3’s and FTs whereas Russ has to work the paint area and battle to get his points. Tonight is a good example. Looking at scoring it was Harden 29 to Russ 21. A deeper dive shows Harden only made 6 shots (3-12 from 3) to Russ 10 (1-2 from 3). But Harden was gifted 16 FTs to Russ 0. Harden stat pads with FTs and Russ works harder to get his points.
That's.....not a good thing in favor of your argument.