(07-16-2021, 10:56 AM)omahen Wrote: But it was you who said they are not moving KP

(07-16-2021, 09:51 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: some interesting comments by Nico

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/oli4ys/nico_harrison_on_front_office_structure_bob/

(07-16-2021, 11:04 AM)Tyler Wrote: However you feel about KP, I sorta love that approach. We know the Unicorn has a ton of talent, and whatever Dallas was doing with him wasn't working. So change it. The best outcome by far is for Kidd to simply make KP the player we envisioned when he arrived. Success on the court will solve all problems.

(07-16-2021, 11:09 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: From Marc Stein’s newsletter:

“The most likely scenario, league sources say, remains Leonard opting out to re-sign with the Clippers — or, in Steve Ballmer’s worst nightmare, to shock the league by signing elsewhere. Leonard’s well-known affinity for Southern California has led various rival front offices to presume that he would have no interest in switching teams for the third time, but the notion that Leonard is unattainable seems to be waning a bit as the Aug. 2 start of free agency nears.

Dallas, just to name one expected suitor, will not be dissuaded from pursuing Leonard even if he’s forced to miss all of next season, league sources say. Leonard’s situation is frequently likened to Kevin Durant’s free agency in 2019 after Durant had sustained a torn Achilles tendon in the Finals. Brooklyn furnished Durant with a four-year, $164 million deal as part of a sign-and-trade with Golden State, with the Nets knowing they would have to play a whole season without him. Even at 30 and with a worrisome injury history, Leonard appears capable of generating similar interest.”

(07-16-2021, 11:07 AM)omahen Wrote: It is team success we want, not maximize KP stats. RC couldn't maximize both - whether it was his or KP fault remains to be seen.

(07-16-2021, 11:26 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Leonard scares the living sh*t out of me. That situation is in no way comparable to Durant´s injury history. Maybe the crazy going on in their heads is comparable. The ultmate benefit I see is that it would vault us to the top of the destination charts and we might get a Lillard, Lavine or disgruntled star player X out of it as a bonus.

(07-16-2021, 10:40 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Thibs made everybody in NYC look like a good defensive player, including Noel himself.

I like Noel next to Porzingis, because he is a free-roaming disruptive fast (help) defender, which is actually what we need. It is something that Carlisle could never accept and was never willing to accomodate in his idea of strict positional defense. But that is Noel´s biggest strength. Plus he should be very affordable.

I think Noel would be the PF in those line-ups. KP would be the rim protector. Noel will be asked to cover the nominal (stretch) four and provide the help defense to Porzingis. It´s bascially the cheaper version of what I envisioned Jarrett Allen/Porzingis could have been.

(07-16-2021, 11:27 AM)Tyler Wrote: The thing I keep coming back to is the way Carlisle would defend the way he was using KP by insisting that the analytics say that post-ups are a bad shot. In retrospect, that sounds to me like he and Voulgaris were on the same page about a certain way to structure the offense for efficiency. But there are other ways to build an offense, too, and they're not necessarily worse. Just different. There are multiple ways to win games.

I do think that at some point you do have to fit the offense to the players, because if you only treat people like entries on a spreadsheet you're going to run them off. The Nico and Kidd hires were clearly about making Dallas a more desirable destination, and based on what they're saying so far I'm willing to bet a reemphasis on player development over pure system efficiency is part of the plan.

(07-16-2021, 11:27 AM)Tyler Wrote: The thing I keep coming back to is the way Carlisle would defend the way he was using KP by insisting that the analytics say that post-ups are a bad shot. In retrospect, that sounds to me like he and Voulgaris were on the same page about a certain way to structure the offense for efficiency. But there are other ways to build an offense, too, and they're not necessarily worse. Just different. There are multiple ways to win games.

I do think that at some point you do have to fit the offense to the players, because if you only treat people like entries on a spreadsheet you're going to run them off. The Nico and Kidd hires were clearly about making Dallas a more desirable destination, and based on what they're saying so far I'm willing to bet a reemphasis on player development over pure system efficiency is part of the plan.

(07-16-2021, 11:50 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: It is an interesting direction to think about. I agree that the game is different than 2011 and finding a good fit with KP is difficult.   

Going into the offseason, I wanted an elite ball creator plus another 3 and D wing.   Third on my list was a more defensive interior presence.   Ideally I would want someone who could score some too.  Right now, if KP is out or injured, we have no one to create points by themselves in the front court.    But, I don't see an ideal fit....especially with the price I want to spend.   Noel would provide the defensive presence though plus being a lob threat.    He is going to cost probably the MLE though.  It is something interesting to think about.   I just want someone who isn't finesse inside.   Noel may not be extremely physical but would be an upgrade in that dept over our current options.  

We don't have the cap room but I was thinking a Derozan, Danny Green, Noel offseason would be interesting.    I think you would need to choose between Danny Green(or comparable) and Noel and not both though....unless you moved some salary.

(07-16-2021, 01:29 PM)mvossman Wrote: I am warming up to the idea of Noel starting at power forward to help offset some of KP defensive limitations (assuming we are going to keep KP).

(07-16-2021, 02:03 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: His legacy here is secure.