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Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - SleepingHero - 03-12-2025
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RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-12-2025
How long is PJ out? That must be a very severe ankle sprain.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - KillerLeft - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 07:51 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: How long is PJ out? That must be a very severe ankle sprain.
Maybe it's a TANKLE sprain, am I right??
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - bubbler86 - 03-12-2025
Both teams shooting well over 50 percent. Mavs will need a rally to win this one. Williams scoring again.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - bubbler86 - 03-12-2025
Oh well.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - Scott41theMavs - 03-12-2025
Good, not screwing up the tank further tonight.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - bubbler86 - 03-12-2025
I almost wonder if they Sun's really are tanking. 2 stars and blown out again.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - Scott41theMavs - 03-12-2025
(03-12-2025, 09:19 PM)bubbler86 Wrote: I almost wonder if they Sun's really are tanking. 2 stars and blown out again.
No, they're just bad because they screwed up their team assembly. They don't even own their own first rounder this year.
Imagine if Kyrie and AD are healthy for the second half of next year and they lose like that. Throwing up in my mouth a little at the possibility.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - myconsumerclub - 03-13-2025
Once Kyrie is back and AD as well as our other bigs they easily get in the top 4 with the team we have built around them assuming we end our bad health issues. The key to taking things to the next level is getting healthy.
PJ Lively and or Gafford plus Klay next to the dynamic duo is a recipe for winning a ring not tanking and if we can add one young prospect in the draft and get some interest in the group of guys playing now then maybe we may get a second decent role player to add to that core with the right trade offer.
Kessler has shown signs of developing his game but with a future using 7' bigs he and others we used at the 4/5 in small ball will be fighting for minutes at the 3 instead of getting small ball center duty. An improved Brandon Williams means we have a lot of decent guys able to back up Kyrie. These are the bottle necks that we must handle and if they draft a PG or SF to crowd things even more then what.
Is small ball center a position we keep to protect the teams bigs by using them in blow outs instead of risking injury to our bigs? Managed minutes for our injured bigs is a thing I think Kidd has to learn how to do more often. The key to using bigs is getting the scoring going inside early in the game so you get the other teams bigs in foul trouble and bench them that enables you to rest your bigs and play more small ball guys that can hit 3's. The talent we have when healthy is impressive enough to make any expert talking head go off on what if for hours.
The best ability is availability so injured bigs = time management and using guys in small ball in the end of games when our team is blowing out the other guys badly.
SF/PF bottleneck: PJ, Naji, Kessler, OMAX,
PG bottleneck: Kyrie, Brandon, Din, Exum,
Still here to use at SG: Klay, Max, Martin, Hardy, and some of these guys can get minutes at the 1 or 3 as well. Hardy at the 1 and all the rest at SF man that is some serious bottle necking.
Kai Jones is he really hurt or just out to help tank because he was looking good in that one game. PJ has to move from the 4 to the 3 because AD is wanting to play PF and that means you use Gafford and Lively at center and you see if Jones can fill in behind all 3. Given everyone's health challenges we have to keep Powell as well unless we draft a big or 2.
Do we add another BIG to that mix with our draft activity?
Who gets brought up from the 2 ways if any?
Do we add a PG in the draft? A best player available approach means we have no clue as to what the team is going to do.
One thing is likely due to all this talent and not enough star power: TRADES ARE COMING!!!!
Who is this teams third leading guy: Naji made a case somewhat but he has issues with his 3 being inconsistent yet he has that close to the basket touch. With legit bigs carrying the weight around the rim for scoring is he now needed as much for that skill set and will he be trade bait because of that.
PJ comes back he is there to carry on as the leading wing defender and Klay is the 3 point assasin. Those 2 along with the core of bigs and our dynamic due of AD and Kyrie is our future all the rest is trade bait or extra depth we may not need as much of once the team is back to full health.
I see nobody being safe except AD and Kyrie and possibly our guys like Kai, Lively and Gafford since who wants injured bigs.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - myconsumerclub - 03-13-2025
Got to plan for tanking because you may now have to admit that Kyrie and AD are close to being done as well. If either is near the end your going to have to have guys behind them that can be more than just role playing insurance. Got to be realistic on that front as well.
The pick we make now needs to become a scoring star eventually. I think we have enough guys that can do enough of what AD can do with Lively and Gafford and maybe Jones. We can still try to find talent here in the 2nd round that we turn into starter level talent and the Ivisic brothers may be there so trading for a 2nd round pick is super important. Powell needs to go. we can add a guy on rookie scale $$$ to provide what he gives us. $aving $$$ is important too.
Egor is 6'9 and a PG just like a young Magic Johnson. If he was any better he would be the 1st pick in the draft. You got to go with finding a future Kyrie replacement that is also a guy you can play next to Kyrie while he develops.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-13-2025
^^ You can't say that even if they get their injured players back, they automatically go to the top of the West. This has been a lost year for sure, with injuries and the trade. Kyrie isn't expected back until at least the AS break next season, and his deal to extend is coming up. Also, we don't know how he'll perform when he returns. Hopefully, he doesn't lose his quickness and explosion as he ages. I'm sure there will be an adjustment. Not to mention, the roster is definitely going to go through changes this summer. You can't make early predictions, especially with this ownership and front office
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - Chicagojk - 03-13-2025
Tough to get excited about what happens on the floor. They continue to play hard but someone needs to score...even on bad teams. Marshall continues to be a zero from three. That needs to improve. Shooting 19% over the last 10. It can't go lower right?
Max is struggling. He struggles to get easy baskets but he has gotten some good looks from three. He has a slow release but his misses are all over the place. He just needs to settle down. He is a smart player, but his value long term is going to be someone who consistently hits open threes.
I have liked what I have seen from Caleb. He does a lot of the little things that I really like. His offense will be his swing skill. If he doesn't make shots, he is another iffy shooter on the team. Speaking of this, watching Boston and OKC last night it is interesting to see the top teams filled with shooters and Dallas appears to be going the other way. I just not sure how this works (even if they play good defense) with two bigs in the game mostly. They need people to spread the floor.
Spurs Suck. Not impressive at all. Looking from the exterior, picking up one of the top rookies, getting Fox and picking up some future picks this offseason seems like a nice haul. Although, it goes back to what I said earlier that they should have had a better offseason. Wemby was ready for more. There future is still bright if Wemby can stay healthy, but I was not impressed with them at all these past two games.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - Chicagojk - 03-13-2025
(03-13-2025, 07:52 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Tough to get excited about what happens on the floor. They continue to play hard but someone needs to score...even on bad teams. Marshall continues to be a zero from three. That needs to improve. Shooting 19% over the last 10. It can't go lower right?
Max is struggling. He struggles to get easy baskets but he has gotten some good looks from three. He has a slow release but his misses are all over the place. He just needs to settle down. He is a smart player, but his value long term is going to be someone who consistently hits open threes.
I have liked what I have seen from Caleb. He does a lot of the little things that I really like. His offense will be his swing skill. If he doesn't make shots, he is another iffy shooter on the team. Speaking of this, watching Boston and OKC last night it is interesting to see the top teams filled with shooters and Dallas appears to be going the other way. I just not sure how this works (even if they play good defense) with two bigs in the game mostly. They need people to spread the floor.
Spurs Suck. Not impressive at all. Looking from the exterior, picking up one of the top rookies, getting Fox and picking up some future picks this offseason seems like a nice haul. Although, it goes back to what I said earlier that they should have had a better offseason. Wemby was ready for more. There future is still bright if Wemby can stay healthy, but I was not impressed with them at all these past two games.
from Iztok. I agree Marshall has a great touch inside. Totally unexpected from me entereing the season. Just think this is less important when we have a healthy team. We need people to stretch the floor.
Big big picture most important thing imo for Mavs from these games is how real Naji Marshall jump as a paint scorer is.
At 56% Naji ranks 7th on non-rim, paint FG%. Only bigs Vucevic, Allen, Jokic, Zubac, Giannis & KD ahead of him.
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RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - HoosierDaddyKid - 03-13-2025
(03-13-2025, 07:52 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Tough to get excited about what happens on the floor. They continue to play hard but someone needs to score...even on bad teams. Marshall continues to be a zero from three. That needs to improve. Shooting 19% over the last 10. It can't go lower right?
Max is struggling. He struggles to get easy baskets but he has gotten some good looks from three. He has a slow release but his misses are all over the place. He just needs to settle down. He is a smart player, but his value long term is going to be someone who consistently hits open threes.
I have liked what I have seen from Caleb. He does a lot of the little things that I really like. His offense will be his swing skill. If he doesn't make shots, he is another iffy shooter on the team. Speaking of this, watching Boston and OKC last night it is interesting to see the top teams filled with shooters and Dallas appears to be going the other way. I just not sure how this works (even if they play good defense) with two bigs in the game mostly. They need people to spread the floor.
Spurs Suck. Not impressive at all. Looking from the exterior, picking up one of the top rookies, getting Fox and picking up some future picks this offseason seems like a nice haul. Although, it goes back to what I said earlier that they should have had a better offseason. Wemby was ready for more. There future is still bright if Wemby can stay healthy, but I was not impressed with them at all these past two games.
Agree with most of this, but you have to consider that they aren't being coached by Pop. I'm sure he's worth a few more wins than Mitch Johnson. Stephon Castle is a keeper. One of the best rookies in the league. They need to make more roster adjustments to build around Wemby, and I'm sure they will. CP3 and Barnes were added as veteran presences that won't be there long-term.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - cow - 03-13-2025
Naji just isn't a great 3PT shooter with last year being an outlier. We used to complain about our 3&D guys being able to do nothing on offense which begs thee question, would you rather have a guy who hits threes at a decent clip but offers nothing else offensively or would you rather have a swiss army knife on offense who shoots the three at ~30%? I don't think you'll get someone who can do both in the Naji salary range.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - Chicagojk - 03-13-2025
(03-13-2025, 02:33 PM)cow Wrote: Naji just isn't a great 3PT shooter with last year being an outlier. We used to complain about our 3&D guys being able to do nothing on offense which begs thee question, would you rather have a guy who hits threes at a decent clip but offers nothing else offensively or would you rather have a swiss army knife on offense who shoots the three at ~30%? I don't think you'll get someone who can do both in the Naji salary range.
You are not wrong and it is a tricky evaluation. Just watching the real good teams play, you see they are filled with shooting. Dallas wans to play with two limited shooting bigs (as of now), PJ who is streaky and a few other bench pieces who are streaky shooters. Throwing out a 20% three point shooter seems like a bad idea, no matter what else he does on the court. Also, it is not the shots he takes and misses. It is the ones he passes to drive into the teeth of the defense. He needs to get that percentage up and at least be a threat to make an opn three.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - mvossman - 03-14-2025
(03-13-2025, 02:33 PM)cow Wrote: Naji just isn't a great 3PT shooter with last year being an outlier. We used to complain about our 3&D guys being able to do nothing on offense which begs thee question, would you rather have a guy who hits threes at a decent clip but offers nothing else offensively or would you rather have a swiss army knife on offense who shoots the three at ~30%? I don't think you'll get someone who can do both in the Naji salary range.
I think in Naji price range shooting and defense are more important. You are not getting a high level creator for 9 mil anyways. That is what you spend the big bucks on. I think you are better off with role players being good at their specific roles than jack of all trades that are not particular good at anything.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - FireNicoHarrison - 03-14-2025
(03-13-2025, 02:33 PM)cow Wrote: Naji just isn't a great 3PT shooter with last year being an outlier. We used to complain about our 3&D guys being able to do nothing on offense which begs thee question, would you rather have a guy who hits threes at a decent clip but offers nothing else offensively or would you rather have a swiss army knife on offense who shoots the three at ~30%? I don't think you'll get someone who can do both in the Naji salary range.
Off Topic- again insane negativity.
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - FireNicoHarrison - 03-14-2025
(03-14-2025, 07:58 AM)mvossman Wrote: I think in Naji price range shooting and defense are more important. You are not getting a high level creator for 9 mil anyways. That is what you spend the big bucks on. I think you are better off with role players being good at their specific roles than jack of all trades that are not particular good at anything.
off topic. Insane negativity. -SH
RE: Game 67: Dallas Mavericks (33-33) vs. San Antonio Spurs (26-37) - DallasMaverick - 03-14-2025
(03-14-2025, 09:23 AM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: off topic. Insane negativity. -SH
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