(07-01-2022, 03:08 AM)fifteenth Wrote: Based on the board's reaction to the Dinwiddie and Bertans trade, and a reading of this thread, I predict that JaVale will be great for the Mavs.:-)

(07-01-2022, 01:53 AM)audiosway Wrote: And for what Dallas needs McGee is much better than Hartenstein. They already have a shooter in Wood. They need a rebounder/defender.

Also, btw, Javale just turned 34 in January. The last year of the deal is an option. And the deal he got averages $5.5 million per year. Hartenstein averages $8 million per year.

Just sayin

(07-01-2022, 06:36 AM)mvossman Wrote: The reality is that if we make that contract correctly, Jalen is a restricted free agent last year with NY desperate to get him and the Mavs not thinking he was worth a max extension (like most of this board).  Odds are they either make an offer we don't match or we trade him to them for very limited assets (not our 23 pick).  If there were mistakes with Brunson they were:

Not offering a max extension.  It was a tough decision last summer and I understand why the would not.  If they really could have signed him to the max extension in January, then that was a huge mistake, but Rick Brunson had a huge agenda and I don't really trust anything he has said through this process.  There is also a reasonable chance Brunson does not that that extension even in the summer.  There were thoughts even then that he wanted to be the PG on a team and wanted to test out free agency.

Not trading at deadline.  The question is what they could have gotten?  If NY thinks they already have Brunson in the bag in the summer and most other NBA teams have the same thought, then there might not have been that much on the table.

Not doing an S&T.  Burks and our 23 would have been a no brainer, but not sure that was on the table.  Did they have to pay anything to dump Burks?  Otherwise the only real option was to pay tax dollars for draft capital.  How often does a tax team take on more salary/tax for draft capital?  

Offer 5/125 for Brunson.  My understanding is that they would not go this high.  If this would have gotten him, then this is their biggest mistake.  At worst he is a neutral asset on that contract.  He is starting in the low 20s with the cap likely going up in.  I don't think he is the perfect fit on this team, and we most likely would have eventually traded him, but we should have offered that.  I'm not sure he takes it though.  I think his mind was made up to go to NY.

(06-30-2022, 11:19 PM)F Gump Wrote: Explore? Why do you think McGee isn't the result of exploring for what is available at their price, and taking the one who best fits a need?

Clearly there were a lot of players THEY would have wanted to get with their MLE too, and found out it was not possible. I have looked at the list. I see lots of names we hoped would be taking txMLE, and all of them got bigger deals. I see some they pursued, who either have taken a bigger deal already or are talking to others with bigger numbers than Mavs could offer.

When that happens, ya gotta move on to players who ARE available and can fill a need. And if you wait, they sign elsewhere instead.

(07-01-2022, 02:47 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Thanks for confirming it. You sobered up and changed your opinion when you learned that Brunson would leave. All month long he was worth it. Two days ago he wasn´t.

(06-30-2022, 11:11 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think I saw that Brunson's deal is declining and starts at $28mm.  If true, the BYC number is $14mm for TPE or trade purposes.   

(07-01-2022, 07:24 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don't believe this is true.  If you add up the Knicks roster with Brunson at $24.186mm and Hartenstein at $7.8mm, you have exactly what you need to retain the cap hold on Robinson.  BTW, Hartenstein is also a CAA guy.

The only way Brunson could start at the larger number and decline is if the Knicks operated as an over the cap team (meaning a S&T involving Dallas and Detroit).  Time will tell.  I think Dallas and NY would both benefit from doing it that way.  For those keeping up with which agents Nico deals with, McGee is a Wasserman guy (specifically B.J. Armstrong).  I don't think we currently have a Wasserman player, but Delon Wright is and we signed him as a FA (technically a S&T if memory serves).

My single cup of coffee math on Detroit is they have $8.68mm of room left.  Bagley got more than I expected and I didn't see the Knox thing coming.  So, they don't have room for us to just dump THJ or Powell or whatever.  We would have to take something back, but could save up to $8.68mm in the process.  Something like THJ outgoing and Burks coming back uses up almost all of that $8.68mm

The Gary Harris thing is interesting as an extension instead of a signing at $12.5mm this year.  That makes him immediately trade eligible according to Keith Smith.  What caught my attention is Harris is a CAA client like Brunson (are we going to go a decade with Mark not signing any CAA clients like we did with Duffy?).  At that number, Harris isn't a trade match here for anything other than Powell/Green.  Obviously there are 30 other teams and not everything is about the Mav's.  Just something to keep an eye on.

(07-01-2022, 07:24 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: IMO that’s a bit unfair. 

This is normal human psychology. You want to buy something. If it is slightly beyond what you want to pay for it, you first think it is still ok. Then when decision time arrives you start thinking more about the money you are going to lay down and focus on the negatives. Then when you decide to not buy it all you rationalize it away convincing yourself that it was never good at all. 

@"cow" might be correct that the Mavs might have needed 30 mill per year to get Jalen to change his mind after they blew their chances for more than two years now to get him lower.  That’s fine. However as it stands a 4/104 that the Knicks got him at is a pretty solid deal given his age, skill set, productivity, and work ethic. He didn’t give us the chance at the end to make the same offer. If he did that salary is definitely not a wild overpay but any means.  Maybe a slight but I don’t see the Knicks or any team who would have given Brunson that contract having regrets down the road.  He is a solid player and that’s what you have to pay.

(07-01-2022, 07:34 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: My psychology reference would be a child asking for a new toy. Not getting it. Throwing a tantrum. Suddenly not wanting it in the first place. I guess that´s human nature as well.

(07-01-2022, 07:43 AM)Kammrath Wrote: The child is the one who refuses to give up on what it cannot have, continuing to throw a tantrum and be mad. 

The adult is the one who moves on when a door is closed and figures out how to make the best of a crummy situation.

(07-01-2022, 07:43 AM)Kammrath Wrote: The child is the one who refuses to give up on what it cannot have, continuing to throw a tantrum and be mad. 

The adult is the one who moves on when a door is closed and figures out how to make the best of a crummy situation.

(07-01-2022, 07:48 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: However making false narratives and tearing down something you lost seems more like a sour grapes mentality than being an adult. An adult would just admit the screw up and move on.

(07-01-2022, 07:31 AM)mvossman Wrote: I feel like that is an overpay for Harris, but a Powelll/Green for Harris trade (along with a Dragic signing) would make this offseason a lot less painful.

(07-01-2022, 08:08 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: .

To you point about an overpay, it doesn't have to be Harris coming here.  He could go to a third team and someone else could come here.  Maybe Detroit and we end up with Burks?  Too many moving parts and reported Mav's targets still on the board to think through all the possibilities.

(07-01-2022, 07:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Who is making false narratives? No one exactly knows what happened with JB, but we can look back at the data:

1) Under Donnie who was well connected to his family, JB was not signed to be a RFA in his last season.

2) Donnie leaves DAL in a cloud of dysfunction and conflict.

3) JB has a really poor playoff showing in RC's last year.

4) Nico comes in and does not sign JB to an extension.

5) JB starts the year playing very well. 

6) Nico tries to trade JB at the deadline (whispers being that everyone knows he is going to NYK).

7) Nico tries to sign JB to an extension after the TDL, but JB refuses to sign. 

8) On April 16, Rick Brunson says JB is going to re-sign in DAL.

9) In the first three games against UTA, JB puts up 30+ points and Mavs take a 2-1 lead.

10) On April 25, Rick Brunson goes to MacMahon and creates a whole narrative on how the Mavs have mistreated/undervalued his son. RB claims that DAL would not offer an extension in January (a fact that has not be corroborated by anyone else, a seemingly fictitious creation)

11) Less than six weeks later (early June), Rick Brunson is hired as assistant coach to NYK. 

12) On draft night (June 23), NYK makes VERY costly moves to get cap space.

13) News begins to leak that JB is heading to NYK and NYK is certain of that.

14) News leaks that NYK, DAL, and MIA will all get to pitch JB. MIA knows nothing about such a meeting.

15) DAL is refused to meet with JB. DAL is never allowed to make any contract offer to JB.

16) News leaks that NYK deal is done, exact money is known.

17) Woj then claims that DAL has given JB an offer (DAL adamantly refuses this) and JB is going to meet with NYK AFTER free agency starts.

18) Woj then says that JB is signing with NYK (for the exact numbers reported by Shams and others a day before).


False narratives? That would be Brunson's camp.

(07-01-2022, 07:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Who is making false narratives? No one exactly knows what happened with JB, but we can look back at the data:

1) Under Donnie who was well connected to his family, JB was not signed to be a RFA in his last season.

2) Donnie leaves DAL in a cloud of dysfunction and conflict.

3) JB has a really poor playoff showing in RC's last year.

4) Nico comes in and does not sign JB to an extension.

5) JB starts the year playing very well. 

6) Nico tries to trade JB at the deadline (whispers being that everyone knows he is going to NYK).

7) Nico tries to sign JB to an extension after the TDL, but JB refuses to sign. 

8) On April 16, Rick Brunson says JB is going to re-sign in DAL.

9) In the first three games against UTA, JB puts up 30+ points and Mavs take a 2-1 lead.

10) On April 25, Rick Brunson goes to MacMahon and creates a whole narrative on how the Mavs have mistreated/undervalued his son. RB claims that DAL would not offer an extension in January (a fact that has not be corroborated by anyone else, a seemingly fictitious creation)

11) Less than six weeks later (early June), Rick Brunson is hired as assistant coach to NYK. 

12) On draft night (June 23), NYK makes VERY costly moves to get cap space.

13) News begins to leak that JB is heading to NYK and NYK is certain of that.

14) News leaks that NYK, DAL, and MIA will all get to pitch JB. MIA knows nothing about such a meeting.

15) DAL is refused to meet with JB. DAL is never allowed to make any contract offer to JB.

16) News leaks that NYK deal is done, exact money is known.

17) Woj then claims that DAL has given JB an offer (DAL adamantly refuses this) and JB is going to meet with NYK AFTER free agency starts.

18) Woj then says that JB is signing with NYK (for the exact numbers reported by Shams and others a day before).


False narratives? That would be Brunson's camp.