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RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-21-2022
is it just me or does it seem like the NBA has an unusually high number of significant players on the IR? Philly, Memphis, Denver, Miami, and the Magic have at least 4 contributors out with injuries.
https://www.espn.com/nba/injuries
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Chicagojk - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 12:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1594738386014990336
Philly petitioning the league to play Dallas now.....
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - dirkfansince1998 - 11-21-2022
In other news. ESPN just released the first RPM numbers for the season. Luka leads the league. Followed by Curry, Tatum, Jokic and Giannis.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Mavs2021 - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 04:31 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: In other news. ESPN just released the first RPM numbers for the season. Luka leads the league. Followed by Curry, Tatum, Jokic and Giannis.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm
So if we had kept KP, signed Markkanen instead of THJ and re-signed Brunson, we´d have two players in the top 10 in RPM and four in the top 25.
Instead Dinwiddie #41 followed by Josh Green at #124, Dwight Powell at #208 and finallly....
![[Image: VagueImpishKinkajou-max-1mb.gif]](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VagueImpishKinkajou-max-1mb.gif)
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - DanSchwartzgan - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 04:31 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: In other news. ESPN just released the first RPM numbers for the season. Luka leads the league. Followed by Curry, Tatum, Jokic and Giannis.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm
1. Luka
41. SD
124. Green
129. Wood. (Collins 141)
208. Powell
219. THJ
228. DFS
248. Frank. (Dragic 246)
259. Bertans
364. Bullock
374. Maxi
390. McGee
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Mavs2021 - 11-21-2022
Also that Theo Pinson is dead last is just the icing on the cake.
Sorry for missing Wood, maybe I was already thinking six months ahead, when he leaves for nothing after playing 15 minutes in the play-in loss to the Kings.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - sefant - 11-21-2022
RPM feels like trash for defense.
Bullock the 29th best defender in the league
Luka the 31th best defender in the league
SD the 45th best defender in the league
DFS 77th
Powell 88th
McGee 199th
Campazzo 206th
Green 224th
Frank 236th
Maxi 264th
Bertans 285th
Wood 299th
THJ 364th
Do you agree?
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Kammrath - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 08:59 PM)sefant Wrote: RPM feels like trash for defense.
RPM is trash ever since they changed the formula a couple years ago.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - DallasMaverick - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 08:59 PM)sefant Wrote: RPM feels like trash for defense.
Bullock the 29th best defender in the league
Luka the 31th best defender in the league
SD the 45th best defender in the league
DFS 77th
Powell 88th
McGee 199th
Campazzo 206th
Green 224th
Frank 236th
Maxi 264th
Bertans 285th
Wood 299th
THJ 364th
Do you agree?
Dang. It's so hard to tell.
My knee-jerk is to say that Luka and SD are too high, Green and Maxi too low. But maybe not...
Things that catch your attention while watching the game:
A recovery and blocked shot
Ability to stay in front of your man when he's got the ball
Quick hands to deflect or steal
...but there's so many others that I don't notice:
The decision to rotate to the right guy when someone else is helping
The decision to help against the right guy at the right spot on the floor
The ability to anticipate and deny a pass
The correct approach to challenge players' preferred shooting, passing, or rebounding locations
DRPM is supposed to give us actual results of a player's time on the court. So maybe this is reality.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - cow - 11-21-2022
Dorian's rating compared to his teammates on both lists tells me the stat is flawed.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-22-2022
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1595039099202990086?cxt=HHwWjMDT7YPn26IsAAAA
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - mvossman - 11-22-2022
(11-21-2022, 08:59 PM)sefant Wrote: RPM feels like trash for defense.
Bullock the 29th best defender in the league
Luka the 31th best defender in the league
SD the 45th best defender in the league
DFS 77th
Powell 88th
McGee 199th
Campazzo 206th
Green 224th
Frank 236th
Maxi 264th
Bertans 285th
Wood 299th
THJ 364th
Do you agree?
It's difficult for any stat to gage defense in such a small sample. That being said, don't know where some of these numbers are coming from. Bullock has the worst defensive rating on the team and the box score defense is nothing special. I have no idea how he could be rated that high. Green has a great defensive rating and boxscore stats, so I don't know how he could be so low.
RPM has fallen completely off my radar regarding advanced stats.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Kammrath - 11-22-2022
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1595105723842990081
DANG now the Lakers are going to win.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - dirkfansince1998 - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 12:49 PM)mvossman Wrote: It's difficult for any stat to gage defense in such a small sample. That being said, don't know where some of these numbers are coming from. Bullock has the worst defensive rating on the team and the box score defense is nothing special. I have no idea how he could be rated that high. Green has a great defensive rating and boxscore stats, so I don't know how he could be so low.
RPM has fallen completely off my radar regarding advanced stats.
Previous versions of RPM used a prior and included data from previous seasons. To compensate for highs/lows in small sample sizes. RPM also includes boxscore data.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - mvossman - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 01:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Previous versions of RPM used a prior and included data from previous seasons. To compensate for highs/lows in small sample sizes. RPM also includes boxscore data.
Yes but when your priors and boxscore stats are roughly average and your actual plus/minus is terrible, its hard to see where you get top 30 defensive NBA player.
EPM uses the same kind of methodology but has much more reasonable results (Bullock is 222 and Green is 73).
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Scott41theMavs - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 02:01 PM)mvossman Wrote: Yes but when your priors and boxscore stats are roughly average and your actual plus/minus is terrible, its hard to see where you get top 30 defensive NBA player.
EPM uses the same kind of methodology but has much more reasonable results (Bullock is 222 and Green is 73).
Link?
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - mvossman - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 02:28 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Link?
Are you looking for the EPM link? It costs a few bucks for full subscription but some stuff is free like current year. Link below:
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm
There will be some goofy numbers for EPM as well. Stats are very limited in assessing defense and on/off has a ton of noise in it, especially in a small sample.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - Chicagojk - 11-22-2022
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1595126912807862272
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - SleepingHero - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 03:49 PM)Chicagojk Wrote:
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1595126912807862272
I really do believe KP didn't want to play with Luka cause he felt like he was better than him. He didn't try. If he put in half the amount of effort like Wood he'd have averaged 25 a game easily.
Sad.
RE: AROUND the NBA: Kyrie Irving returns from suspension| Bane Injured - dirkfansince1998 - 11-22-2022
(11-22-2022, 05:22 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I really do believe KP didn't want to play with Luka cause he felt like he was better than him. He didn't try. If he put in half the amount of effort like Wood he'd have averaged 25 a game easily.
Sad.
Also the longest stretch without any health issues that I can remember. Will be interesting to see if he can keep it up or if it follows the usual pattern of him slowing down or starting to miss games. Sadly he has never been able to play more than 20-25 games in a row at this level.