AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud - Printable Version +- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com) +-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +--- Thread: AROUND the NBA: Pat Bev Suspended 4 Games Next Season| PHX Fires Vogel, Hires Bud (/showthread.php?tid=2171) Pages:
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RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - Jym - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I don’t really think there is a way to prove that true or untrue. At this point I think games played are going to be the only truth. I don’t feel as strongly as you do about Kidd keeping him down or believing he’s best used off the bench. I’m closer to, I think the starting spot is his to lose, not OMax’s to win mostly because I agree with you that OMax best use position will probably be at that big F spot. Yeah Omax's 3 is a little slow and clunky right now. So either he's destined to be a PF on offense or he's going to have to change up that form RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - KillerLeft - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I don’t feel as strongly as you do about Kidd keeping him down or believing he’s best used off the bench. I’m closer to, I think the starting spot is his to lose, not OMax’s to win mostly because I agree with you that OMax best use position will probably be at that big F spot. I agree with your overall point in the post, but to clarify, I don't "feel strongly" that Kidd doesn't believe in Green, I just think there are signs that could point to that. As you say, we won't know until we know, but some are assuming Green's role to a point where it makes sense to them to expect some crazy numbers, contract wise. All I'm saying is that his rookie contract is almost gone and to this point, he literally has not been a rotation player outside of like a 2 month stretch of last season. Can we make sure he earns a spot in the Mavs' (or any team's, really) top 8-9 guys for a full season before we assume he's going to get north of the MLE? That's all I'm saying. Unless there's an angle I'm not seeing, one of the following two statements is true: 1) Reggie Bullock, one of the worst rotation players in the NBA last year, was still a better option than Green. OR 2) #1 is false, but Jason Kidd believed it was true. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:18 AM)Jym Wrote: Yeah Omax's 3 is a little slow and clunky right now. OMax's form almost has a little Kevin Martin to it. Obviously not that egregious but the way he gets into position takes a hot minute. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - dirkfansince1998 - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:19 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I agree with your overall point in the post, but to clarify, I don't "feel strongly" that Kidd doesn't believe in Green, I just think there are signs that could point to that. As you say, we won't know until we know, but some are assuming Green's role to a point where it makes sense to them to expect some crazy numbers, contract wise. All I'm saying is that his rookie contract is almost gone and to this point, he literally has not been a rotation player outside of like a 2 month stretch of last season. Can we make sure he earns a spot in the Mavs' (or any team's, really) top 8-9 guys for a full season before we assume he's going to get north of the MLE? That's all I'm saying. 3) There are some weird unwritten rules when it comes to vets/young players. It's not like the Mavs are the only team that operates like this. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - KillerLeft - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:34 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 3) There are some weird unwritten rules when it comes to vets/young players. It's not like the Mavs are the only team that operates like this. That's valid, actually. But, with the way last season went, and how strongly the numbers pointed to the conclusion that "it's time to go with Green because Bullock is baaaaaad" I'd think most coaches would've pulled the trigger. However, you're right. A lot of those guys would trust the guys who had just performed for them in the playoffs the previous season way, way past the point where fans want to give up on them, and I understand where they're coming from, too. You haven't really weighed in here - what are YOUR expectations for Green's season and/or next contract? RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - mvossman - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The other rookie, Lively, on the other hand I think he has more of a chance to win the starting position regardless of how Powell plays. I'm still holding out hope for Holmes playing that role until Lively is ready. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - Ghost of Podkolzin - 10-04-2023 https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players-2023-24/ Top 50, plus players of interest to us... 1. Joker 2. Luka 3. Giannis 4. Tatum 5. Embiid 6. Steph 7. Shai 8. Durant 9. Booker 10. AD 11. Ant 12. Butler 13. Ja 14. Dame 15. Kawhi 16. Lebron 17. Trae 18. Donovan 19. Haliburton 20. J.Brown 21. D.Fox 22. PG13 23. Harden 24. Siakom 25. Sabonis 26. J.Murray 27. LeMelo 28. Bam 29. Zion 30. Ingram 31. KAT 32. LaVine 33. M.Bridges 34. Brunson 35. Kyrie 36. JJR 37. Banchero 38. Garland 39. Markkanen 40. DeRozen 41. Maxey 42. Bane 43. E.Mobley 44. M.Turner 45. Jrue 46. FVV 47. C.Cunningham 48. Beal 49. Wemby 50. Scoot 51. KP ... 69. OG ... 75. Ayton 76. J.Allen ... 86. Tobias ... 88. Bojan ... 90. N.Powell ... 94. Valanciunas ... 97. Capela Thoughts? RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - IamDougieFresh - 10-04-2023 RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - Ghost of Podkolzin - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 01:02 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: IMO, questionable guards ahead of Kyrie... 21. D.Fox 23. Harden 26. J.Murray 27. LeMelo 32. LaVine 34. Brunson 35. Kyrie RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - HAguiar95 - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 12:53 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Thoughts? Ja, Ant, Shai, LaMelo way higher than they should. Both rookies aren't top 50 players (in impact at least). Beal, Kyrie, Cade, Jrue, Bron should be higher. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - SleepingHero - 10-04-2023 https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1709598366793896333?s=20 NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral) Stephen A. Smith reports that Houston had initially been willing to offer James Harden a max contract this offseason. However, after Harden expressed to Ime Udoka his ambition to win a scoring title, the max contract offer was rescinded RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - IamDougieFresh - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 01:06 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO, questionable guards ahead of Kyrie... Let me cook my full list really quick. Playoff play matters a ton for me. These are a combo of past performance and what I expect for this season. I'm also assuming health. 1. Jokic 2. Luka 3. Giannis 4. Curry 5. SGA 6. Durant 7. Kawhi 8. Tatum 9. Butler 10. AD 11. Lillard 12. Kyrie 13. George 14. Edwards 15. Haliburton 16. Murray 17. LeBron 18. Booker 19. Embiid 20. Fox 21. Mitchell 22. Adebayo 23. Brunson 24. Markkanen 25. Ja Wick 26. Bridges 27. Brown 28. Holiday 29. Beal 30. Trae 31. Siakam 32. Sabonis 33. Paolo 34. JJJ 35. Harden 36. Ball 37. Zion 38. Ingram 39. Garland 40. LaVine 41. Cade 42. DeRozan 43. Maxey 44. KAT 45. Bane 46. Mobley 47. Turner 48. Wagner 49. Porzingis 50. FVV RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - Chicagojk - 10-04-2023 I don't get triggered on these type of rankings. Pretty meaningless imo. I don't have an issue with Kyrie's ranking though. The last three years he probably doesn't deserve to be in the top 20. So I am fine with that. I do hope we get a full season of basketball from him and see if that ranking improves. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - KillerLeft - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 02:26 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I don't get triggered on these type of rankings. Pretty meaningless imo. Absolutely. It has been a WHILE since he even played a full season. I think he'll raise his stock this year, almost definitely, even if the Mavs aren't very good. But, going off of pretty much every moment of his career post-Boston, 35 might be a little high, even. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - mvossman - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 02:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Absolutely. It has been a WHILE since he even played a full season. I think he'll raise his stock this year, almost definitely, even if the Mavs aren't very good. But, going off of pretty much every moment of his career post-Boston, 35 might be a little high, even. Honestly I would argue he was top 20 last year, and he did play 60 games. He scored 27 a game, with 5 boards, 6 assists a block and a steal per game. He also was not terrible on defense based on the advanced stats. That is a top 20 resume. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - KillerLeft - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 04:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: Honestly I would argue he was top 20 last year, and he did play 60 games. He scored 27 a game, with 5 boards, 6 assists a block and a steal per game. He also was not terrible on defense based on the advanced stats. That is a top 20 resume. Ok, but... 60 games. Meh. Whether or not we want to accept it, 99% of the world believes he almost singlehandedly steered Brooklyn's franchise into oncoming traffic. What he did after the trade is hard to credit, since the Mavs were worse than before. I realize there's another side to all of that, but I get why the modern, national meta on Kyrie is so negative, I really do. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - mvossman - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 04:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ok, but... I get all of that, but the reality is that all of the Kyrie negativity is off the court (and supposedly out of the locker room as well). He has never stopped being elite while on the court, and if we can get 60+ games out of him, I think he will easily be top 20. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - IamDougieFresh - 10-04-2023 I considered bringing up the unmentionable hyper-politicized things to defend Kyrie, but I'll just wait for everyone to see him cook this year. The last thing we need in here is a vax world war 3. The only other thing I will say is that there is known choker who has requested multiple trades and is intentionally showing up to camp at 300lbs who is ranked above Kyrie. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - Ghost of Podkolzin - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 04:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: Honestly I would argue he was top 20 last year, and he did play 60 games. He scored 27 a game, with 5 boards, 6 assists a block and a steal per game. He also was not terrible on defense based on the advanced stats. That is a top 20 resume. Completely agree. I have Kyrie somewhere 15-20. RE: AROUND the NBA: Devin Vassell signs 5/yr146M extension w/Spurs - KillerLeft - 10-04-2023 (10-04-2023, 04:21 PM)mvossman Wrote: I get all of that, but the reality is that all of the Kyrie negativity is off the court (and supposedly out of the locker room as well). He has never stopped being elite while on the court, and if we can get 60+ games out of him, I think he will easily be top 20. 60+, sure. Emphasis on the +. |