(07-07-2022, 08:27 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: Can't imagine it's much of a debate.

(07-07-2022, 08:57 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I am with you. I think at MOST he is worth a 1st round pick right now. But I think there is argument he is worth none, or even would cost a 1st to get off his contract. 

Strangely there are some on this board who think he is worth two or three 1sts. Which is completely unfathomable to me. *shrug*

(07-07-2022, 09:36 PM)cow Wrote: Gobert's price was also unfathomable

(07-07-2022, 09:38 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: I hope he is a distressed asset and can be had cheaply.  I think he would solve a lot of the Mavs' roster issues if we could get him for salary matching and possibly a single pick.  The issue I am most wary about is his back.  If his medical situation is bad, I wouldn't mess with him.  But on this roster, he would be amazing and solve our need for defensive presence and playmaking, while also adding another strong rebounder.  I can't imagine he would be crazy expensive, and that is how I like 'em.  We can't afford full price on a star.  I think a change of scenery with a winning club who want him and will appreciate him, along with a coach who has a ton of similarities to him as a player whom he would respect is exactly what this dude needs.  And we could certainly use what he brings.  Triple check that back though.

(07-07-2022, 09:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Not to me. He is THE best defensive player in the game and has consistently had a top ten impact on winning. I thought the price was higher than I expected, but not unfathomable. Gobert didn't just have back surgery. Gobert didn't just sit out months and months refusing to play. Gobert wasn't just traded in a trade that demonstrated that he was worth about one first in the league's minds.

(07-07-2022, 11:33 PM)mvossman Wrote: Maybe top 10 impact in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.  I'm not one of those who thinks he can be run off the court, but if he is playing against a legit 5 out offense he can't play drop coverage which significantly reduces his defensive impact, and he does not have the offensive game to force teams out of that. Given his age and massive contract, giving up 5 first round picks for him is insane.

(07-07-2022, 10:17 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: In the playoffs, teams sag off him and just dare him to shoot, and since he won't, he becomes completely useless. We saw this play out in Philly and I see no reason to think the same thing wouldn't happen here.

(07-07-2022, 09:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Not to me. He is THE best defensive player in the game and has consistently had a top ten impact on winning. I thought the price was higher than I expected, but not unfathomable. Gobert didn't just have back surgery. Gobert didn't just sit out months and months refusing to play. Gobert wasn't just traded in a trade that demonstrated that he was worth about one first in the league's minds.

(07-08-2022, 03:57 AM)Halfnir Wrote: I think the problem in Philly was that he was the main ball handler at all times. If he can give the ball to Luka in such a situation and then goes into motion playing give&go or pick&roll, with the gravity Luka has on defenders, good offense will happen. 

If you can convince Simmons that he's the PG in transition (and he generates a lot of transition opportunities on his own with his defense)  and once you play against a set defense, he turns into a supercharged version of Dwight Powell, it might work very well.

(07-08-2022, 09:05 AM)Smitty Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1545406664131710979?s=21&t=jX-JM_RrSmkwbPxR2NxqRg

(07-08-2022, 09:20 AM)Kammrath Wrote: "The trade market for Simmons is quite barren"....not surprising at all.

(07-08-2022, 09:22 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: in horror at the pupu platter offered - because that's all we have to offer.

(07-08-2022, 10:19 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://hoopshype.com/2022/07/08/miles-bridges-situation-hornets-not-pulling-qualifying-offer/