(01-21-2023, 06:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: "The Charlotte Hornets are prepared to take calls on Gordon Hayward"

This made me chuckle, envisioning Hornets FO all huddled around a phone, waiting desperately for someone to call with a desire to trade for Hayward. And waiting. And waiting. And ...

(01-21-2023, 06:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: "The Charlotte Hornets are prepared to take calls on Gordon Hayward"

This made me chuckle, envisioning Hornets FO all huddled around a phone, waiting desperately for someone to call with a desire to trade for Hayward. And waiting. And waiting. And ...

(01-21-2023, 07:04 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: THJ and Bertans for GH, no picks

(01-22-2023, 05:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Making financial sense of some trade rumors:

Multiple sauces (including Stein) say THJ to Cleveland is real.  Expiring Michigan guy LeVert is supposedly the package, but it feels like there would need to be some sweetener...maybe a second.

Woj has us after both Bojan and Noel.  He mentions Bertans and THJ as outgoing.  The contracts are interesting here.  Both Dallas players carry through the 24/25 season.  Bertans is only owed $22mm after this season.  Noel has a TO for an additional season.  Bojan has what appears to be two years left after this one.  But, only $2mm of that final season is guaranteed.  So, what might be assumed to be 0 additional years for Noel and 2 additional years for Bojan could be one year each instead.  

Combine all of that and you have: 

LeVert/Bertans going to Detroit.  LeVert expires and Detroit owes Bertans $22mm.
  
THJ going to Cleveland for two more seasons 

Bojan/Noel going to Dallas.  

The deal feels like a THJ for Bojan swap and expiring Noel for expensive Bertans.  But, what it could be is moving guys with 24/25 money (THJ and Bertans) for guys who are under control until the end of next season.  At that point, Dallas would have something close to $60mm in cap room depending on whether they S/W McGee's last year and how much it costs to keep Green.  The commitments would be Luka, DFS, Maxi, Green and Hardy.  Yeah, I know...Plan Powder.

There are some interesting names in the summer of 24 including Siakam, Jaylen Brown, Sabonis, OG and Dejounte Murray.  What is interesting about these guys is their teams are going to have issues retaining them.  Siakam is potentially eligible for a Super Max.  Extensions for Brown, Sabonis, OG and Murray are capped at 120% of their current contract.  So, none of those guys will extend and all will hit Unrestricted Free Agency. They are all 7-10 year guys and their max will be about $43mm.  Other prime age UFA's that summer include Bol, Claxton, Vanderbilt, Bamba and Hartenstein. 

There is enough money here to get Luka his second star.  

Great Dan, but what about between now and then?  Well, Dallas cuts 22/23 payroll by almost $7mm and saves a ton of LT...That's exciting!  Bojan gives you the same shooting you get from THJ plus some much needed playmaking for a season and a half.  Noel is center insurance this summer as we don't know how Wood or Powell will play out.  Anything else that happens should be concentrated on adding guys who are still cheap in the summer of 2024.   

What about Wood.  I don't have a great answer here.  Give him the Tyson Chandler treatment (2012) this summer?  Can you do a 2 year extension now with a TO on the second?  My guess is no, but it is hard to get a feel for his market.  Maybe you trade him for someone who expires at the time you want them to expire.  Some players with TO's in 23 include Beasley (in rumors with Vanderbilt who would be cheap to control in 2024), Rose (who could be combined with any of several players it would be cheap to control in 2024), Lamar Stevens (who could be part of the LeVert trade) and Isaiah Livers (who could be part of the Detroit outgoing).  Fornier has a TO for 2024.  Maybe you attach some young talent from NY in a deal involving Fournier.  Same with Hayward.  Wood/Powell for Hayward and one of their young/inexpensive bigs?  The idea isn't that you want the big dollar guy.  What you want is the cheap guy to add to DFS, Maxi, Green and Hardy in 2024.

What about draft compensation.  I think this is going to cost a pick.  If it were me, I'd try to get Cleveland's 2029 second in the LeVert deal.  I'd offer a protected Dallas 2028 first that converts to two seconds in 2029.  That way, you have 24, 26 and 30 to trade in other deals that get you the other things you need to fill the roster.  I know people hate Plan Powder, but there are reasons it might work in 2024 (unless the new CBA fixes the extension restrictions) and it creates a reset on the Repeater Tax.

(01-22-2023, 07:35 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I really like the idea of a THJ/CL swap turning into a 3 team deal. It would give the 3rd team a desirable expiring instead of THJ. Sub in Conley and Vanderbilt for Bojan for instance. I’m still on the fence on surrendering ANY draft capital for any trade until this summer though. It’s a real quandary whether we: 1) keep all picks for one big move or 2) use picks in multiple deals to build the roster

(01-22-2023, 09:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'd be all for subbing in Conley/Vanderbilt instead of Bojan.  But, that deal doesn't accomplish everything I'm trying to accomplish.  The critical part is moving Bertans and getting max level space in 24.  Out of all the max-level guys that summer, the most likely target is Sabonis (which would rip Sacramento's heart out, but I can't help it if they traded for a guy who won't extend his current deal).  Every other move would be about creating space for him while also finding cheap bodies that make sense alongside the Doncic/Sabonis pairing.  Here are the holes I see:

Sabonis
DFS           Maxi
Green
                 Hardy
Luka

I'd probably still do the Bertans/Pic for Bojan thing even if I also did your deal.  1. It gets rid of Bertans and frees money in 24 while maintaining flexibility with Bojan if you don't get anyone in free agency.  2. There is some agent stuff to all of this.  Sabonis and both Bogdanovic's are with Wasserman (as is overpaid McGee and D. Rose).  I've got a little conspiracy theory stuff going on here that I didn't put in the already too long post.  3.  I don't mind using picks if it helps me fill the holes above so that the team is ready to go as soon as Sabonis is signed.

IF NY really wants Bullock, I need to fill a hole up above.  Moving C. Wood?  I'll take back a one year salary, but I need a young player to fill another hole.  Same this summer if someone wants Dinwiddie.  Conley/Vanderbilt for LeVert (through THJ) is a great example of the kind of deal I'm talking about.  Conley expires and you have the Vanderbilt hold against your cap (though I'd prefer he be RFA instead of UFA).  The deal doesn't hurt you much in 22/23 or 23/24, but it still sets you up for the summer of 24.

(01-22-2023, 05:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Multiple sauces (including Stein) say THJ to Cleveland is real.  Expiring Michigan guy LeVert is supposedly the package, but it feels like there would need to be some sweetener...maybe a second.

(01-22-2023, 05:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Making financial sense of some trade rumors:

Multiple sauces (including Stein) say THJ to Cleveland is real.  Expiring Michigan guy LeVert is supposedly the package, but it feels like there would need to be some sweetener...maybe a second.

Woj has us after both Bojan and Noel.  He mentions Bertans and THJ as outgoing.  The contracts are interesting here.  Both Dallas players carry through the 24/25 season.  Bertans is only owed $22mm after this season.  Noel has a TO for an additional season.  Bojan has what appears to be two years left after this one.  But, only $2mm of that final season is guaranteed.  So, what might be assumed to be 0 additional years for Noel and 2 additional years for Bojan could be one year each instead.  

Combine all of that and you have: 

LeVert/Bertans going to Detroit.  LeVert expires and Detroit owes Bertans $22mm.
  
THJ going to Cleveland for two more seasons 

Bojan/Noel going to Dallas.  

The deal feels like a THJ for Bojan swap and expiring Noel for expensive Bertans.  But, what it could be is moving guys with 24/25 money (THJ and Bertans) for guys who are under control until the end of next season.  At that point, Dallas would have something close to $60mm in cap room depending on whether they S/W McGee's last year and how much it costs to keep Green.  The commitments would be Luka, DFS, Maxi, Green and Hardy.  Yeah, I know...Plan Powder.

There are some interesting names in the summer of 24 including Siakam, Jaylen Brown, Sabonis, OG and Dejounte Murray.  What is interesting about these guys is their teams are going to have issues retaining them.  Siakam is potentially eligible for a Super Max.  Extensions for Brown, Sabonis, OG and Murray are capped at 120% of their current contract.  So, none of those guys will extend and all will hit Unrestricted Free Agency. They are all 7-10 year guys and their max will be about $43mm.  Other prime age UFA's that summer include Bol, Claxton, Vanderbilt, Bamba and Hartenstein. 

There is enough money here to get Luka his second star.  

Great Dan, but what about between now and then?  Well, Dallas cuts 22/23 payroll by almost $7mm and saves a ton of LT...That's exciting!  Bojan gives you the same shooting you get from THJ plus some much needed playmaking for a season and a half.  Noel is center insurance this summer as we don't know how Wood or Powell will play out.  Anything else that happens should be concentrated on adding guys who are still cheap in the summer of 2024.   

What about Wood.  I don't have a great answer here.  Give him the Tyson Chandler treatment (2012) this summer?  Can you do a 2 year extension now with a TO on the second?  My guess is no, but it is hard to get a feel for his market.  Maybe you trade him for someone who expires at the time you want them to expire.  Some players with TO's in 23 include Beasley (in rumors with Vanderbilt who would be cheap to control in 2024), Rose (who could be combined with any of several players it would be cheap to control in 2024), Lamar Stevens (who could be part of the LeVert trade) and Isaiah Livers (who could be part of the Detroit outgoing).  Fornier has a TO for 2024.  Maybe you attach some young talent from NY in a deal involving Fournier.  Same with Hayward.  Wood/Powell for Hayward and one of their young/inexpensive bigs?  The idea isn't that you want the big dollar guy.  What you want is the cheap guy to add to DFS, Maxi, Green and Hardy in 2024.

What about draft compensation.  I think this is going to cost a pick.  If it were me, I'd try to get Cleveland's 2029 second in the LeVert deal.  I'd offer a protected Dallas 2028 first that converts to two seconds in 2029.  That way, you have 24, 26 and 30 to trade in other deals that get you the other things you need to fill the roster.  I know people hate Plan Powder, but there are reasons it might work in 2024 (unless the new CBA fixes the extension restrictions) and it creates a reset on the Repeater Tax.

(01-22-2023, 01:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/status/1617215081925824513

Hardy+Green+1st?

(01-22-2023, 01:39 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: As someone who loves OG I still wouldn’t sell early on Green for him. Green is showing that he may end up being a more well rounded player than OG anyway. It’s also a weird ask considering most trades these days are heavy draft picks and not heavy on actual basketball players. All of their asks were similar like Siakam was like 3 players and a pick or something.

(01-22-2023, 01:39 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: As someone who loves OG I still wouldn’t sell early on Green for him. Green is showing that he may end up being a more well rounded player than OG anyway. It’s also a weird ask considering most trades these days are heavy draft picks and not heavy on actual basketball players. All of their asks were similar like Siakam was like 3 players and a pick or something.

(01-22-2023, 01:47 PM)omahen Wrote: I would do it, as long as the salary matching salary is Bertans and the pick is 2028 one. Mavs would keep 3 picks for another move in the summer that could make this team really dangerous. Another player would have to come from Toronto, either Banton or Hernangomez.

TDL team:
Luka, SD
THJ, FN
OG, Bullock
DFS, Maxi
Wood, Powell

Replace THJ with another 2-way player in the summer and this team is a serious contender.

(01-22-2023, 01:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/status/1617215081925824513

Hardy+Green+1st?

(01-22-2023, 01:47 PM)omahen Wrote: I would do it, as long as the salary matching salary is Bertans and the pick is 2028 one. Mavs would keep 3 picks for another move in the summer that could make this team really dangerous. Another player would have to come from Toronto, either Banton or Hernangomez.

TDL team:
Luka, SD
THJ, FN
OG, Bullock
DFS, Maxi
Wood, Powell

Replace THJ with another 2-way player in the summer and this team is a serious contender.

(01-22-2023, 02:33 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Would you rather do the following for a hypothetical OG trade:

Bertans/Green/Hardy/28

Or

Bertans/Hardy/27/29

?