(01-09-2023, 10:10 AM)Branduil Wrote: The problem with THJ is you can't bench him or his play sinks like a rock, but he's not really good or consistent enough to be a starter. At least not on this team. And as long as he's here he'll be blocking guys like Green or Hardy from starting.

(01-09-2023, 10:45 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Agreed.  And, when SD was coming off the bench last season he didn’t have the same +/- issues he’s having today.  Maybe the way to look at this is LeVert is a poor man’s Brunson replacement and SD goes back to being the SD replacement.  LeVert isn’t a PG, but playing next to Luka, no one is really a PG (even Brunson).  

Can you get enough ball movement using Green/LeVert in the starting lineup to make up for the ball movement you had with Brunson/Reggie?  I disagree with the idea we would start LeVert and Dinwiddie.  What I could see is Wood, Maxi/DFS, Green, LeVert, Luka  (very switchable with some rim protection) with Powell, Maxi/DFS, Reggie, Dinwiddie off the bench.  Hardy eventually plays himself into the Reggie spot (he’s got another year to do it).  DFS and Maxi could start situationally depending on the size of the other team.

If you bring everyone back, you are a taxpayer again.  If you let anyone go, you only have the TP MLE to replace them.

(01-09-2023, 10:40 AM)Kammrath Wrote:


Or better yet......TRADE THEM BOTH.

(01-09-2023, 10:55 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: we’re still soooooo short handed when it comes to ball handling it puts us in a tough spot.

(01-09-2023, 10:47 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I mentioned this before but if you can finesse Okoro into this deal using Frank and SRPs then you have put yourself in a position to go hard after any player in the 18-25 mil range without giving up Green or Hardy.

(01-09-2023, 11:00 AM)Kammrath Wrote: And by "ball handling," we mean someone who can go 1 v 5 and dribble out the shot clock while everyone else watches?

I get on some level the concern with a lack of ball handling, but just because someone can handle the ball, doesn't mean the offense is going to be helped.

(01-09-2023, 11:07 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Would you do LeVert/Okoro for THJ/Hardy?

(01-09-2023, 11:09 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: It would just mean more work for Luka.

(01-09-2023, 11:07 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Would you do LeVert/Okoro for THJ/Hardy?

(01-09-2023, 11:11 AM)Kammrath Wrote: OR more work on the coaching staff to actually devise an offensive system that doesn't demand one player do all the work.

(01-09-2023, 11:07 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Would you do LeVert/Okoro for THJ/Hardy?

(01-09-2023, 11:19 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not really impressed by Okoro. I think Hardy has a higher ceiling.

(01-09-2023, 10:10 AM)Branduil Wrote: The problem with THJ is you can't bench him or his play sinks like a rock, but he's not really good or consistent enough to be a starter. At least not on this team. And as long as he's here he'll be blocking guys like Green or Hardy from starting.

(01-09-2023, 11:21 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Agree with this and also think Green has a higher ceiling as well (but maybe seeing Okoro play more could change my mind). Okoro is still a great asset on the roster compared to what we currently have though so I think it’s important to explore that opportunity.

(01-09-2023, 11:23 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don’t agree that what’s best for Green or Hardy is to remove all players ahead of them in the pecking order, but I think there’s some validity to your “can’t bench THJ, and he’s not quite good enough as a starter” point. That, essentially, is the issue with him.

In order to move him, however, I feel pretty strongly that you need to replace him, and not by outright gifting a kid a role he hasn’t quite earned yet. Green has earned a role, for sure, but it’s a much different role than the one Hardaway has, and while Hardy’s skill set might actually be a solution to replacing Hardaway at some point, he’s not ready.

(01-09-2023, 10:55 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Very curious on the decision making around Dinwiddie during his contract year next year. Moving on would be ideal but we’re still soooooo short handed when it comes to ball handling it puts us in a tough spot.

(01-09-2023, 06:32 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I think we should get a 2nd in the deal

(01-09-2023, 11:13 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Probably not. For me the goal of getting Okoro would be so that we have a good young asset (on a good expiring salary number) to flip this summer in place of using Hardy so that we can continue to develop him and see what we got.

It still puts us in a position where we have a much strong package this offseason though so it’s intriguing. Lots of overlap between Green/Okoro skill sets so one of them is definitely trade fodder is they are on the same roster.

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We need to be honest with ourselves though about whether we’re in a position of demanding it or if we’re in a position where it’s absolutely required. We’re already teetering on the edge of the latter WITH Dinwiddie on the roster. I’m all for moving him but you need a similar skill set coming back.