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RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Mavsfan12 - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 08:08 PM)F Gump Wrote: Okay. Here's the general principle -- while player salaries being traded can be combined, in general each player is a separate "exception" to the trade rules, allowing some return in that trade. And who matches with who is done for each team separately, to their best benefit. Thanks for that explanation. I understood it that each transaction created its own exception, not that the whole aggregate was then seen from each side of the transaction. Illuminating. I still don't know why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion then, unless you view Powell as a substantial asset that incentivizes CHA to do the deal, since he costs CHA 2M more than Plumlee. The deal works without them, and CHA's motivation is for cap relief. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - nash_funk - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 08:10 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 13.4 TRB% for Kleber? Where are you getting stats? I'm using 82games. That said, Charlotte is only slightly better than Dallas in every rebounding category. We need to upgrade starting rebounding. Hayward and Washington don't do that. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 08:39 PM)nash_funk Wrote: Where are you getting stats? I'm using 82games. Bball ref and NBA.com. Overall I am not as concerned about rebounding. In the regular season the Mavs ranked 9th in DRB%. 23rd in ORB%. But the second number is more about the scheme. With a focus on transition defense. At max two guys crashing the offensive board. Playoffs painted a different picture. With the Mavs in the bottom five in both categories but once again I would point out that it was willing decision to give up a few rebounds in exchange for a switchable defense and five out spacing on offense. Small ball worked. They just ran into a team that can do it even better. Gobert or Ayton did not beat the Mavs. It was Looney. And that wasn´t really about his individual greatness. More about the Mavs focus on the perimeter. Going all out to slow down shooters like Curry, Thompson or Poole is difficult and more often than not teams have to expose the paint to do it. Would obviously like to upgrade the team rebounding but not at the cost of the things that turned the Mavs into a contender. Switchable defense, Five-out spacing. Would argue that the addition of Wood proves that the Mavs share those thoughts. Prefering mobility over bulk and strength in the paint. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Jommybone - 06-21-2022 What we need Is a little respect From the refs Sorry, watching the Aretha Franklin movie. It’s pretty good. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - F Gump - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 08:29 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: Thanks for that explanation. I understood it that each transaction created its own exception, not that the whole aggregate was then seen from each side of the transaction. Illuminating. why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion...? The deal does NOT work w/o them. Without Powell, you can't match the Hayward salary. THJ + Green isn't enough. So Powell MUST be included. Or another someone. Once you add Powell, you can take back BOTH GH and PJW. . Plumlee then makes sense on both sides to be moved from CHA to DAL using the TPE. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - DanSchwartzgan - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 09:06 PM)F Gump Wrote: why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion...? What if you took advantage of the Wood trade remaining open? If you add in THJ/Green for Hayward/Pick to the existing framework the total outgoing is $34.8mm which matches the $43.5mm for Wood and Haywood combined. The Dallas TPE could be used to absorb additional salary if need be. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - mvossman - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 04:24 PM)nash_funk Wrote: Haywood's defense has really dropped off. Too many injuries. Look at his advanced stats from last year. His advanced stats I'm looking at (EPM and Lebron) say he was better than average. None of those guys you mention are significantly better defensively and they are all more expensive asset wise. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - F Gump - 06-21-2022 Here's a slightly different DAL-CHA idea (with ORL added) that might be a more palatable swap for all the parties involved --- *DAL gets Hayward ... sends THJ/Bertans *CHA gets THJ or Bertans (their choice) ...sends Hayward + pick 13 *ORL gets THJ or Bertans (whichever is left) + pick 13 ...sends nothing Mavs - No added salary - Mavs actually get a 5M savings on payroll CHA - Doesn't have to give up PJW, still gets about 15M savings + THJ [for GH/13] ORL - Gets pick 13, priced with a smaller salary to absorb (about half the size of GH) RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - F Gump - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 09:22 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: What if you took advantage of the Wood trade remaining open? If you add in THJ/Green for Hayward/Pick to the existing framework the total outgoing is $34.8mm which matches the $43.5mm for Wood and Haywood combined. The Dallas TPE could be used to absorb additional salary if need be. Even that way, I don't think the DAL total is enough. Getting pulled away, but hurriedly, by memory, rounded, isn't it THJ 19.5 JG 3 Hou group 10.5 33 x 1.25 TPE cant be used. Check my math but I think it's not enough. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Mavs32 - 06-21-2022 here is my shot at it. you involve the Jazz. Jazz get Hayward, Washington the #15pick Hornets get THJ & Rudy Gay Mavs get Bogdanovic & Plumlee. Ainge takes a flyer on his guy Hayward and basically runs it back for another year while deciding what he has and what to do with Gobert. Meanwhile he is picking up Washington and the #15pick Hornets clear almost $20mil off this year's cap number so they can resign Bridges Dallas gets frontcourt scoring off the bench, a legit center (not a pf playing center) and clear their books for next summer. depending on what they did with Wood and SD, they could almost afford a max player next summer. Although Dallas does eat a bunch of payroll this year. Luka/Dragic/Frank Brunson/SD/Green Bullock/Bogdanovic DFS/Maxi/Bertans Wood/Plumlee/ plus the TPMLE and a vet min deal. feel free to check my math because i did everything off the top of my head but the trade worked on fanspo RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - DanSchwartzgan - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 09:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: Even that way, I don't think the DAL total is enough. Getting pulled away, but hurriedly, by memory, rounded, isn't it Hardaway is 21.3. It covers. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1539434126184529920 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1539434708223811584 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/status/1539416685194760192 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1539413680298803200 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - DanSchwartzgan - 06-21-2022 Some writer on the SI.com site put out Ibaka as an interesting FA name. Dragic and Ibaka would be a lot of veteran experience added to Wood and the Sacred Six. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 10:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1539413680298803200 Am I the only one that would love to turn Cam´s career around. If only to mess with the Hawks one more time. RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 Thank God its not the Mavs! https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1539450859112865794 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - Kammrath - 06-21-2022 https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1539447850337198081 RE: TRADE & FA RUMORS: Ayton, JC, MT out? | NYK clearing space for JB? - KillerLeft - 06-21-2022 (06-21-2022, 10:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Some writer on the SI.com site put out Ibaka as an interesting FA name. Does Ibaka have anything left? I wouldn’t hate it as a minimum 3rd or 4th big. |