(10-27-2022, 11:14 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: Its not groundbreaking...but DFS, MAXI, Bullock and Green are too many high minute guys that underwhelm offensively.  

DFS and his 3 shot are great these days so that should save him a chair.  I understand Maxi's unique size and mobility and defense are very good for playoffs...but you cant even pass him the ball...nor should you unless hes wide open behind the arc.  There is a high chance he fumbles the ball for a turn over or makes an errant pass.  I lean on cutting his minutes to only necessary minutes when you have to stop the bleeding in a playoff setting and his defense is the only way to possibly stop the bleeding.  I would give Green serious minutes with the starters and evaluate which player between Green and Bullock is truly more impactful for the team.

I would not be afraid to package 2 of the 4 in a deal for a more well rounded offensive player that is capable of attacking on offense...even if they are not asked to do that.   I want guys that arent substandard on offense in the case there is a loose ball and it lands in their hands they can take advantage of a scoring opportunity.  4 guys with heavy minutes that cant take advantage of a scoring opportunity is hindering the team.  Of course the new guy would have to be average to above average on defense...but at least have better offensive skills than the 2 players outgoing.

I dont care about scheme or Playoff basketball and the ball only being in Luka, Wood or Spencers hands...you cant leave meat on the bone with guys that cant take advantage of a scoring opportunity that 95% of other average NBA players capitalize on.  

Move 2 of the 4.

(10-28-2022, 09:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: The problem is the players you are asking for are really hard to acquire.  They are very expensive, both in cap and trades.  There just are not a lot of players that are both well rounded on offense and plus defenders.  And teams trading away players like that are likely going into tank mode.  They have no use for 30 year old 3&D players.  They want salary relief or young players.

I'm all for adding a two way well rounded player, but its not nearly as easy as you are making it seem.  And even if we do add one it still makes sense to have as many quality 3&D players on the team as we can.

(10-28-2022, 11:58 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: Mvossman...

So everyone is clear on what I am trying to suggest here...I think I have a player that describes what I think is a small drop off in defense for a little better offense.   I am not saying I want this player.  I dont care about advanced stats, I dont care about his age, I dont care about his attitude, I dont care about his contract value, I dont care if you think he sucks...I am strictly talking about on court capabilities compared to what we floor night in and night out.

I know this player at one time was considered a 2-way...he might not be anymore.   I watched Denver games a couple of years ago and this dude is definitely better than THJ at defense and definitely better than Bullock or DFS or Maxi or Green on offense....he might not be now...but he was.   Again...this player is only for example purposes.

I think a player that is not expensive that fits what I am looking for is Will Barton 3 years ago on Denver.  Not lock down on defense(probably better than Bullock ever was at his prime)but probably equal to if not better than Bullock but has way better attacking skills on offense.

It seems like a lot of teams have similar players...but us.  We're binary...youre a defender or your offensive.   We need a player that is in a super position of both.  And I think those guys are out there...and I just named a somewhat cheap one.  You can claim hes cheap or was cheap because of attitude or because he hogged the ball and no one wanted him...or because his game aint all that...whatever you want.  I still feel he has less warts than what our flawed heavy minute guys possess. 

Again...I just wanted to provide an example.  I am not saying I want todays Will Barton.  I am only saying that I think he fills the description of what I am saying I would prefer.  I think he is way more well rounded than Bullock, DFS, Green, THJ.

Im strictly just trying to suggest that there are guys out there...but you claim there arent.

(10-28-2022, 01:49 AM)F Gump Wrote: No. And not even close to true.

Not at all the same, and not even close to my 3-game observation. Neither DFS nor RB turn down open shots, neither refuse to try layups when open in the lane. Both play a role in the offense by spacing the floor, and being a threat who WILL SHOOT when left open and they get the ball. Both will attack the basket when open with the ball and past the defender. Green's Simmon's-like refusal to shoot the open shot is what has been rendering him worthless in half the game.

I will say that JG's G4 was much better. But it alone doesn't erase what we saw in Gs 1-3, and it was acceptable but not great. His level of willingness to shoot, and work to score, in G4, must be the floor not the ceiling of his play.

(10-28-2022, 01:18 PM)mvossman Wrote: We will have to agree to disagree regarding Will Barton's defense, but the fact that in looking for a reasonably priced player that fits your description you have to go three years back kind of makes my point.  Those guys are not easy to find.

(10-28-2022, 01:51 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: DFS and Bullock are Kidd's trusted 3 and D players. But they will be age 30 and 32 this season, while also averaging career highs in minutes so far. We all saw how heavily they were relied on in the playoffs and eventually wore down by the WCF. Kidd is going to have to decide whether he wants to keep riding these guys (at the expense of them running out of gas later in the season) or give more minutes to Green to let him develop while allowing the others to rest more.

(10-28-2022, 03:02 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That was probably the Mavs' thinking when they said their biggest offseason priority was a wing. But then they didn't get one.

(10-28-2022, 03:10 PM)Jommybone Wrote: Seems their true priority was center (Wood, McGee). I think the wing talk came after those moves, no? There’s a lot about the off season I’m still scratching my head over. But having a relatively fresh Maxi to close games sure is a luxury. If that’s what they were thinking, tip o the hat to em.

But back to the topic. If Greeny (as Kidd called him last night) becomes that wing they were looking for, watch out.

(10-28-2022, 03:22 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I personally felt Green deserved more time last night.  I know it is an overtime game, but DFS and Bullock shouldn't be over 40 minutes imo.   Plus, Bullock has a history of getting injured.

(10-28-2022, 03:18 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Irony of Maxi playing starter minutes because McGee is unplayable and they don´t trust Wood´s defense in crucial moments.

(10-28-2022, 01:29 PM)mvossman Wrote: Its kind of interesting that you have such a negative view of Green while being pro Bullock.  Green is a better defender, rebounder, passer and finisher.  Bullock is a more willing three point shooter and that is something that Green needs to work on, but they score roughly the same per 36.  Bullock plays heavy minutes against tougher competition (starting vs second unit) and is probably the better player right now, but they are not that far apart and Green is still only 21.

(10-28-2022, 03:18 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Irony of Maxi playing starter minutes because McGee is unplayable and they don´t trust Wood´s defense in crucial moments.

(10-29-2022, 10:00 AM)mvossman Wrote: Maxi biggest value is defense in those crucial moments, but McGee is not doing his job.  He got pulled after 2 minutes in the second half and for good reason.  I hope this is just a rough early run for him and not what we are going to get regularly.

(10-29-2022, 09:21 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: He took almost the same number of shots per minute as Bullock, DFS and Maxi last year. 

BTW, on a team where Wood and THJ jack up almost every ball they touch, I would think a willing passer would be valued.

(10-29-2022, 10:43 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I hate to say it, but I don't get why they don't just play Powell to conserve Maxi at this point. (ducks)

(10-29-2022, 10:43 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I hate to say it, but I don't get why they don't just play Powell to conserve Maxi at this point. (ducks)